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jewelsofsayuri
September 23, 2018 at 3:19 pm
Dear Sir, I am a designer who is just beginning her PhD journey. My area of interest is “the fashioning of the self (Alamkara) through jewellery.” I came across your site and am stunned by the vast knowledge you have put up here. I would be really grateful if you could you please point me to some books, papers, articles I could read on this subject. Thanks and regards
sreenivasaraos
September 24, 2018 at 3:03 pm
Dear Divya
Thank you for the visit and for the appreciation.
I do not know much about the jewellery, in particular.
And, whatever I say might be like carrying ice, all the way, to Eskimos. You are the expert; and, I am just on the periphery.
However, I suggest you may take a look at the thesis prepared by Mr. Dushyant Dave, during 2017, on the subject of the Motifs in ornamentation special reference to Rajasthani kundan meena jewellery 16th to 21st Century
You may see how he has gone about in dealing with the subject.
Please see Chapter Two on Tradition and basic sources of Indian Jewellery
And, in the bibliography , a list of references is given. Please see if any of those would be of help.
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There are also some books published on the subject of Jewellery, such as
Indian jewellery: by Usha Ramamrutham Bala Krishnan and Meera Sushil Kumar
Traditional Jewelry of India by Oppi Untracht
You may refer to them, in case , you have not already done so.
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There are also websites on subject
History of Indian Jewellery
Tradition and basic sources of Indian Jewellery
https://www.thebetterindia.com/86147/history-indian-jewellery-jewels-traditions/
https://www.culturalindia.net/jewellery/history.html
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303844521_women_and_jewelry_-
the_traditional_and_religious_dimensions_of_ornamentation
Click to access IJTK%204(2)%20118-126.pdf
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Pardon me. I am aware I have not been of much help. Please excuse me.
Wish you success in all your endeavors
Cheers.
jewelsofsayuri
September 25, 2018 at 3:33 pm
Thank you so much for the reply. While I have gone through some of the books & articles, Others are new to me. So I’ll take a look at them. Any suggestions for Samudrika lakshanam or Shola shringhar will also be helpful.
sreenivasaraos
November 8, 2018 at 6:20 am
Dear Divya
I trust your thesis is progressing well. In case you have not already finished your task, please see the following. Else, please ignore.
I am not sure if this really helps you
But, I think you may use this as a part of background material for your Paper.
The Rig-Veda mentions some interesting details of the dress and ornaments worn by the women its time. But, these are scattered. I have tried to put some of those details together. See, if this helps.
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The Sindhu country was called Suvasa (the producers of beautiful cloths); and Urnavati (the producer of wool) – (Rv. X-75-8).
The dress consisted of two garments; the Vasas, the lower garment; and, Adhivasa or Adhivastra an upper garment (Rv. VII-26-13).
Besides, a mantle or cloak called Atka (Rv. 1-95-7); and Drapi (Rv.1-25-13) are also mentioned.
The garments called Pesas were sometimes embroidered and adorned with gold (Rv. V-55-6); and were worn by female dancers (Rv. 1-92-4).
A special garment called Vadhuya (Rv.X.85.34) was woven for adorning the bride at her marriage ceremony.
Ushnisha , was a head – covering that women sometimes used.
In the Rig-Veda age, at times, the garments made of leather were also used (Rv. 1-166-10).
The upper garment of men was called Uttariya. A garment called Pravara was used in winter.
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The men and women were fond of wearing ornaments in the Rig-Veda times.
Niska was a golden ornament worn around the neck, as in the epithet niska-giva (Rv. v-19-3).
Rukma was another ornament made of gold in the shape of a plate, worn on the chest –as in Rukma Vaksas (Rv. V-55-6).
The Khadi was either a golden anklet worn both by men and women; or, it was an armlet worn on the arm or wrist likes a bangle (Khadi-hasta) – Rv. V-58-2.
The term Mani-griva (Rv. 1-122-16) suggests string of gems worn around the neck – a necklace.
The golden ornaments adorning the ear were called Karna Sobhana (Rv. VII-78-3).
[It seems; Rajata-Hiranya (white gold), known as silver was not in much use.]
Pearl ornaments (Krsana) were also used (Rv.I.35.4).
The pearls might have been available in the Sapta-sindhu region; because, the river Sindhu was called Hiranya vartiru (Rv. VI-61-7).
Besides it is mentioned that pearls were used to decorate the chariot of Savitr, a divine being (Rv. 1-35-4).
The Srak was a garland, ordinarily worn by men and made either of flowers or golden lace wrought in to flowers (Rv. IV-38-6)
Thus, ear-rings, necklaces, bracelets, armlets, anklets and garlands were common ornaments of women.(But, the nose-ring was conspicuously absent.)
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In the Rig-Veda times, the women had their hair well oiled and combed; and dressed in braids (Kaparda). It seems, they had the practice of weaving braid into four braids, which dangled behind on the back (Rv. X-114-2 ).
The men also had their long or short, according to their will. The Vasistas had long hair which was coiled on the right (Rv. VII-33-1) .
The term Vaptr in the Rig-Veda, denotes a barber shaving beards; and, Ksura was a sort of razor or blade (Rv. VII-4-16).
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Cheers
jewelsofsayuri
November 8, 2018 at 1:36 pm
Thank you sir. I have just begun my Phd journey and so I have a long way to go. Yes, I am aware of the costume details since I teach costume history. What I would love to get hold of are the English translations of Vedas (Rig & Atharva) so that I understand their context as well. May I know that source that you are using for these quotes? If you would prefer, I can contact you over email. Thank you sending me these details
sreenivasaraos
November 9, 2018 at 2:50 am
Dear Divya
Good to know you are familiar with the details of the past history. Pardon me for having bothered you with trivia.
As regards the references you mentioned:
For the text of the Rig Veda in Roman (English) script; I generally follow the GRETIL site, which describes itself as: cumulative register of the numerous download sites for electronic texts .
http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gret_utf.htm#Samh
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For translation in English, you may start with The Rig Veda by Ralph T.H. Griffith at
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/
It is rather uncomplicated. You may thereafter search for more explanatory ones, if you so choose.
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The references to ornaments or dresses occur in different contexts. Once you get the reference to the mention of the ornaments etc., you may have to go back to the translation (say, Griffith’s) to ascertain the context; and, go the GRETIL to get the related text of the Rig Veda.
For instance; I gave you the reference to Rv.5.53.4, which refers to hymn 54.4 in the Fifth Book. It describes the ornaments and dresses of Maruts; and, mentions like Rukma, Khadi etc., meaning ornaments, breastplates and armlets.
The translation at HYMN LIII, Maruts says:
4 Who shine self-luminous with ornaments and swords, with breastplates, armlets, and with wreaths, Arrayed on chariots and with bows.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv05053.htm
If you need the corresponding text,
RV_5,053.04a ye añjiṣu ye vāśīṣu svabhānavaḥ srakṣu rukmeṣu khādiṣu | śrāyā ratheṣu dhanvasu ||
http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/1_sanskr/1_veda/1_sam/1_rv/rv_hn05u.htm
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Niska was a golden ornament worn around the neck, as in the epithet niska-giva (Rv. v-19-3). It is about Agni
RV_5,019.03 niṣkagrīvo bṛhaduktha enā madhvā na vājayuḥ ||
Translation: A gold chain Bṛhaduktha wears, as, through this Soma, seeking spoil.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv05019.htm
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Similarly, Rv.58.2 refers to Khadi-hasta), an armlet worn on the arm or wrist likes a bangle
RV_5,058.02a tveṣaṃ gaṇaṃ tavasaṃ khādi-hastaṃ dhunivratam māyinaṃ dātivāram |
Translation : 2 The mighty glittering band, arm-bound with bracelets, givers of bliss, unmeasured in their greatness, with magical powers, bountiful, ever-roaring,—these, liberal Heroes, venerate thou singer.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv05058.htm
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With the references I have given, you may have backwards to get to the context, tthe text and its translation.
It is time-consuming ; and tiresome too .
You may try ; and, in case you find it hard, let me do it rather slowly
Wish you Happy Deepavali. And, Godspeed with your thesis.
Cheers
jewelsofsayuri
November 9, 2018 at 3:40 pm
You are awesome sir; Thank you so much.
Paresh Devani
August 27, 2019 at 6:19 pm
Thank you for your very well researched and informative website.
I am looking up the traditional wedding invocation (Dyaur aham prithvi tvam, Retoham retabhru tvam, Manoham asmi vak-tvam, Samaham asmi rikri-tvam, Sa maam anuvruta bhava) and your reference says ‘BAU 4.4.20’. Please educate me on what is ‘BAU 4.4.20’?
sreenivasaraos
August 28, 2019 at 4:05 am
Dear Paresh Devani
Thank you for the visit; and, for reading the article closely.
I am glad you asked this question
The mantra dyaur ahaṃ pṛthivī tvam that is recited by the groom during the wedding, initially occurs in the Atharva Veda at AVŚ_14,2.71a- c at http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/1_sanskr/1_veda/1_sam/avs___u.htm
Please check at 14.2.71a
Thereafter it is adopted by several other texts such as Brihararanyaka Upanishad (6.4.20); Yajnavalkya Smriti; and also by several manuals of marriage rituals (vivaaha karmakanda); and, so on.
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The mantra I have quoted is from Brihararanyaka Upanishad
The term BAU 6.4.20 stands for Brihararanyaka Upanishad 6.4.20; and, it reads:
dyaur aham pṛthivī tvam | tāv ehi saṃrabhāvahai saha reto dadhāvahai | puṃse putrāya vittaya iti || BrhUp_6,4.20 ||
Please check : http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/1_sanskr/1_veda/4_upa/brupsb6u.htm
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I have since corrected my page at https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/10/04/varuna-and-his-decline-part-two/
Please check the page
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Thank you for raising the question; that helped me to set right a slight error
Please keep reading; and commenting
Cheers
BTW. I trust your thesis is progressing well. Please let me know . Thanks
Paresh Devani
August 28, 2019 at 6:15 am
Dear Sreenivasa Rao
Sincere thanks for your prompt reply and clear explanation, I appreciate it very much.
And thank you again for the wonderful education resource of your comprehensive and very well researched website, which I look forward to visiting regularly.
Warm regards
Paresh Devani
Roopa Girard
January 14, 2019 at 2:35 pm
Dear Mr. Rao,
How are you? Thank you for these am,axing blogs on Indian Arts. I live abroad but am an ardent promoter of Indian Arts. In that vein I am in the process of commissioning a online course and would love your involvement in the same. Please can you contact me,
Best wishes,
Roopa Girard
sreenivasaraos
January 20, 2019 at 7:05 am
Dear Ms. Roopa
Pardon me for the delay in responding to your comment.I was not well for some time
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The articles I have posted cover varied aspects such as Music; Painting;Sanskrit Drama and Poetry; Indian Philosophies; History; and literature etc
Kindly let me know in which field of Arts you are most interested
And
the outline of your proposed project
Thank you
Cheers
sreenivasaraos
November 12, 2019 at 2:11 am
Dear Divya
Greetings. I trust by now you have successfully completed your doctoral thesis concerning jewellery
I am sending you a few links that I came across; and, mused these might be of interest to you. I am aware , this rather late. Yet , please take a look for whatever it might be ..
Have a Great Life
Cheers
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Gold Earring, Taxila (?), 1st-2nd century A.D
https://rarebooksocietyofindia.org/postDetail.php?id=196174216674_10151617597571675
Sword , Indore, ca. 1800, with metal hilt entirely covered with sheet gold and set with rubies, emeralds and diamonds
https://rarebooksocietyofindia.org/postDetail.php?id=196174216674_10151525504286675
Gem-set gold Navratna Pendant from the Treasury of Tipu Sultan; Mysore (Seringapatam), late 18th Century
https://rarebooksocietyofindia.org/postDetail.php?id=196174216674_10152504141991675
The ‘Timur Ruby’ necklace1853 Spinels, diamonds, gold, enamel
https://rarebooksocietyofindia.org/postDetail.php?id=196174216674_10150303286136675
Portable shrine of Vishnu late 18th century – early 19th century
https://rarebooksocietyofindia.org/postDetail.php?id=196174216674_10151488286791675
Bahadur Shah II’s crown, c. 1825-50
https://rarebooksocietyofindia.org/postDetail.php?id=196174216674_10151306607616675
Suite of Victorian Necklace, bracelet and brooch; the frontispiece of the necklace comprising a series of green glass set
https://rarebooksocietyofindia.org/postDetail.php?id=196174216674_10152321689001675
jewelsofsayuri
November 12, 2019 at 12:57 pm
Thank you sir, for the resources. I just started my PhD journey last year. So I have only completed my coursework. I still have the actual research to do
sreenivasaraos
November 21, 2019 at 2:10 am
Okay
Normally, how long does it take to complete a doctoral thesis , in Indian universities
On Tue, 12 Nov 2019, 18:28 sreenivasarao’s blogs, wrote:
> jewelsofsayuri commented: “Thank you sir, for the resources. I just > started my PhD journey last year. So I have only completed my coursework. I > still have the actual research to do” >
jewelsofsayuri
November 21, 2019 at 1:24 pm
5 years, which includes 2 years for coursework and proposal preparation.
sreenivasaraos
November 29, 2019 at 2:24 am
Dear Divya
I am aware you have researched deep into the fashion and textiles over a long period.
Yet; I presume the Doctoral thesis prepared by Dr. Archana Mazumdar on the printed modes in Indian textiles from Indus valley civilization to late eighteenth century A D, might interest you
You may take a look at it , in case you have not already done so
http://hdl.handle.net/10603/159619
https://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/handle/10603/159619
Cheers and Godd Luck
sreenivasaraos
December 23, 2019 at 4:39 am
Dear Divya
Good Morning Maa
I came across some sites displaying various kinds of Indian jewelry
Then , I thought of you
Please check the following links (in case you have not already familiar with these)
Some of them perhaps might interest you. There are more.
Please check and let me know
Merry Christmas
And,
a Very Happy New Year
Cheers
https://arjuna-vallabha.tumblr.com/archive/tagged/indian%20gold
https://arjuna-vallabha.tumblr.com/tagged/hindu-jewellry
https://arjuna-vallabha.tumblr.com/archive/tagged/indian%20jewelry
https://arjuna-vallabha.tumblr.com/tagged/Diamonds
https://arjuna-vallabha.tumblr.com/tagged/indian-jewellery-designs
https://arjuna-vallabha.tumblr.com/archive/tagged/jewellery
jewelsofsayuri
December 23, 2019 at 11:18 am
thank you so much sir. Having several images in one place will be surely useful.
sreenivasaraos
January 14, 2020 at 3:54 am
Please read this
https://www.academia.edu/12544634/Jewels_for_a_King_Part_II_Indo-Asiatische_Zeitschrift_vol.15_2011_pp._41-56?email_work_card=title
sreenivasaraos
March 29, 2020 at 2:31 am
Dear Divya
Good morning
Please check here for a detailed article – the jewels for the king by Claudine Bautze-Picron
Cheers
Savitha Gurunath
October 6, 2018 at 11:45 am
With due regards sir,
I am interested in the series of barahamasa paintings.Are all the paintings either in Kota, Bundi,Datia school of paintings painted during 15th century and onwards? Are they all based on Keshav dasa’s Rasikpriya only? Which books should I refer? kindly guide Sir…
sreenivasaraos
October 6, 2018 at 1:03 pm
Dear Savitha Gopinath,
You are welcome Maa
I had earlier written about Ritu varnana and Bharamasa – in its aspects of both poetry and paintings
Please check the following link
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/20/ritu-varnana-and-barahmasa/
As a part of that article I had written about the poet Sri Kesava Dasa (1555–1617) and his work Rasikapriya composed in Brij-basha . It is a comprehensive compendium of Nayakas and Nayikas, their moods, meetings and messengers. And , it is considered a Lakshana grantha, foundational work, in Riti kavya tradition)
In that context , I had written about descriptions of Barahmasa according to Rasikapriya., along with illustrations
As I mentioned , the Barahmasa poetry and paintings are depicted in various types and traditions, not only that of Sri Kesava dasa.
As I said at Para 12.1
A vast number of schools of miniature paintings such as Bundi, Krishnagarh, Jaipur, Mewar and Marwar giving expression to the Barahmasa concepts and idioms flourished during the mid centuries under the patronage of Pala Kings of Bengal , the Mughals and the Rajputs of Rajasthan. The hill states and even smaller states from Central India too nurtured the paintings of Barahmasa tradition. Datia, one of the schools of painting in Central India, painted a timeless series of Ashtayama, another form of Barahmasa. . These sublime works of art, which gained fame as iconic representations of the seasons and as metaphors for emotions, have inspired generations of artists, poets and lovers. Over the generations, the artists of the diverse schools of miniature paintings have strained to retain the aesthetic values and technical excellence achieved by their pioneer
Please also check the ‘References and Sources’ given at the end of the post , for Barahmasa literature, music and paintings
I trust , these might be of some help. Please let me know
Cheers Maa
Wish you the Best
sreenivasaraos
October 6, 2018 at 12:42 pm
You are welcome , Dear GuruNath Bhat
Aritra
October 22, 2018 at 4:20 pm
Dear Sreenivasa Rao,
My search on Mahavidyas in connection with something I am writing around Kali puja (I am a journalist) led me to your blog: a source of vidya itself!
Your work, and its breadth, is fascinating!
Could you please share your contact details; I’d like to speak to you for the story I am working on, as also in connection with my research on theatre and performance.
sreenivasaraos
November 9, 2018 at 3:05 am
Dear Aritra
Deepavali Greetings
Pardon me for the delay in responding to you comment
I have been away for some time; and, also not doing great
If you can kindly frame a set of specific questions
And, send them on to me
I shall try to reply with what little I have learnt
Thank you
Cheers and Regards
Janardan bhoi
November 16, 2018 at 6:23 pm
Good job rao sir
Really very very thanks to u
sreenivasaraos
November 17, 2018 at 1:45 am
Dear Shri Janardhan, Thanks for the visit and the appreciation . Regards
Janardan bhoi
November 16, 2018 at 6:30 pm
Actually sir I want to write one article about women empowerment in Veda ….
Give me some suzession .
sreenivasaraos
November 17, 2018 at 1:48 am
Dear Shri Janardhan, I had earlier written about the position of women in the Rig Veda ( in Two Parts). You may commence with that ; and, later follow other leads and sources.
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/04/rig-veda-position-of-women-12/
Wish you success
Regards
mstetsenko
November 18, 2018 at 6:38 pm
Hello!
I have a question regarding your entry of Bhaskararaya’s analysis of Kunjika Stotra. You say “As regards the Vyasti goddess, he follows the explanations given in the Devi Upanishad.” In Devi Upanishad as you also say – Aim (ऐं) stands for Mahasarasvathi and Hrim (ह्रीं) for Mahalakshmi. However, when you describe what Bhaskararaya said it’s backwards – Aim (ऐं) for Mahalakshmi and Hrim (ह्रीं) for Mahasarasvathi. Am I reading this correctly?
Thank you!
Max
sreenivasaraos
November 19, 2018 at 8:26 am
Dear Max
Thanks for the visit and reading the article closely
Yes Sir. You are right. The two read differently.
There is an explanation; but, it is rather lengthy and complicated.
Please bare with me.
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As said; the Navarna Mantra includes the syllables: Aim; Hrim and Klim.
The Atharva-Sirsa -Upanishad identifies these syllables with: Mahasarasvati; Mahalakshmi and Mahakali, respectively.
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Sri Bhaskararaya takes an alternate view.
Initially, he mentions that this Mantra has been explained in the Shakta Upanishad, the Devi-Atharva – Sirsa –Upanishad.
He points out that in its first verse of this Upanishad; all the gods ask the Goddess “who are you, Oh mighty Goddess”? She replies: I am the very same form (Svarupini) as Brahman; Ahaṃ Brahma Svarūpiṇī
Then, Bhaskararaya mentions the verse in the Devi Mahatmya (5.9) where the gods praise the Devi. This, he says, should be understood as addressed to the un-manifest (Samasti) form of Mahalakshmi.
namo devyai mahādevyai śivāyai satataṃ namaḥ । namaḥ prakṛtyai bhadrāyai niyatāḥ praṇatāḥ sma tām ॥ 9॥
Bhaskararaya, then goes back to Devi-Atharva-Sirsa-Upanishad; and quotes its verse 22; and, says it means the same as the praise rendered by gods in the Devi Mahatmya
namāmi tvāṃ mahādevīṃ mahā bhaya vināśinīm । mahā durga praśamanīṃ mahā kāruṇya rūpiṇīm ॥22॥
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Then he cites the classic three fold aspects of Brahman: Sat (being); Cit (consciousness) and Ananda (bliss). He relates all these three qualities with the Vyasti forms of the Goddess; Mahalakshmi, Mahasarasvati and Mahakali, respectively
Thereafter, he identifies the first three syllables of the Navarna Mantra (Aim, Hrim, Klim) with the Vyasti goddesses Mahalakshmi; Mahasarasvati and Mahakali , in that order .
Here, he follows the Sri Vidya lore, to connect the Vyasti goddesses with their corresponding Bija mantras.
Then he identifies the other two forms of the Navarna Mantra (Chamunda, Vicce) with the Samasti form of the Goddess Chamunda.
The Goddess Chamunda, according to Bhaskararaya, is the highest form, none other than the Brahman. And, it is within Chamunda the three Vyasti goddesses Mahalakshmi (Aim); Hrim (Mahasarasvati) and Klim (Mahakali) reside.
Then again, Bhaskararaya goes back to the Devi Mahatmya; and, tries to prove how it is related to the Navarna Mantra.
As regards Mahalakshmi, he asserts that Mahalakshmi is the highest and the foremost of the three Vyasti goddesses, with a predominance of the Rajas (Rajo-Guna). And, Mahalakshmi is the presiding deity of Aa-varga (Aa-group) of the alphabets (Matraka); and, she always appears first.
. And, therefore, She is represented by the first syllable of the Navarna Mantra (Aim). That indicates the pre-eminence of Mahalakshmi. Then he relates the other two syllables to two other Vyasti goddesses.
Thus, Bhaskararaya’s interpretation differs from that given in the Atharva-Sirsa-Upanishad
The scholar Caleb Simmons remarks:
Bhaskararaya’s commentarial link between the Bija mantras and their goddesses to the ideology of Sat-Cit-Ananda not only demonstrates his association with the Tantric lineage of Sri vidya , but also to a broader tradition of Indian philosophical speculations.
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I could have mentioned all these; but, that would have made an already complicated post, much more painful.
Thanks for asking the question
Regards
mstetsenko
November 19, 2018 at 12:33 pm
Thank you for such a thorough answer!
I have been doing an in-depth analysis of Siddha Kunjika Stotra. Do you by any chance have an insight or can point me to where I can find the information on the meaning of the additional bijas in the mantra given in this stotra?
Specifically:
oṁ glauṁ huṁ klīṁ jūṁ saḥ …….
…….. haṁ saṁ laṁ kṣaṁ phaṭ svāhā
Sincerely,
Max
sreenivasaraos
November 25, 2018 at 5:00 pm
Dear Mstetsento
Pardon me for the delay in responding
Regarding Siddha Kunjika Stotra
animeshnagar has been writing on the subject
Please check his page at
https://animeshnagarblog.wordpress.com/2014/12/24/damar-tantrokta-siddha-kunjika-stotra/
Regards
mstetsenko
November 25, 2018 at 6:30 pm
Dear Sreenivasa Rao,
Thank you for your link, however this blog references the Damara Tantra version of the stotra and I’m interested in the Rudra Yamala version.
So far the most thorough explanation I could find is here:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-of-the-Siddha-Kunjika-stotram-in-Durga-Saptashati
However some a few pieces are missing. I’ll keep searching!
Thank you!
prakashsupra
January 6, 2019 at 9:03 pm
Dear Sir,
The contents of the blog is invaluable and they deserve to be published in other Indian languages as well. Please let me know as to what are the modalities to take it forward. I am from Bangalore and I would like to make an attempt to translate the contents to Kannada language.
Please guide.
Best Regards,
Prakash R
supraengineering@gmail.com
sreenivasaraos
January 20, 2019 at 7:15 am
Dear Shri Prakash
Pardon me for the delay in responding to your statement. I was not quite well for sometime
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Thanks for the visit and for the appreciation
As you can see, I articles I posted cover a range of subjects such as: Music; Painting;Sanskrit Kavya, Drama and Grammar; Indian Philosophies; History and literature etc
Please let me know in which of these subjects or in in which of the specific set of articles you are interested
BTW, my friend Shri Kannan Rangachar had earlier translated some of my articles into Kannada and published them in a magazine
Cheers
Nimai Ananda Das
January 18, 2019 at 7:43 am
Dear Sreenivasa Rao,
Thank you very much for this wonderful blog. It’s very appreciative work that you are preserving the most essential vedic culture.
I have some urgent questions in regards to devalay vastu.
We are starting to construct a wonderful Radha Krishna temple in kolkata – ISKCON temple and we want to follow the rules of devalay vastu to best possible way.
Urgent question is – is making temple so that deity facing west is okay? Or it must face north? Our land doesn’t allow temple with East facing. Kindly guide.
Also, how can I learn more about devalay vastu?
Thank you again. Wish to be in touch with you and learn more and want to assist in preserving and spreading vedic values and system.
Your aspiring servant, Nimai Ananda Das.
sreenivasaraos
January 20, 2019 at 6:37 am
Dear Respected Nimai Ananda Das, Thank you for the visit. It is good to learn that you are attempting to erect a temple in Kolkata.
1. You mentioned that you: ‘want to follow the rules of Devalaya vastu to best possible way’.
The articles I have posted on temple design and architecture are based mainly in the ancient texts.
These do bring out the principles, practices and norms of temple architecture. And, they, indeed, are educative and useful in understanding the theories of temple design and its purpose.
But, what you are looking for, I presume, is the application of those principles. It would, therefore, perhaps, be more useful if you could go by the experience of those, similar to you, who constructed temples, particularly, in recent times.
While doing so ,you could adopt a project approach which , inter alia, includes clearly defining your objective; the overall dimensions; the specific details of the individual components; layout ;designs of each component ; locations , directions etc.
Another factor is that unlike in South India, the temples- in the West and in the ISKON – tend to be ‘Temple Complexes’, accommodating various deities under a single roof. Therefore, it has to device its own design.
Further, the type, location and size of the Mantapas, are related to the overall size and design of the temple.
Please also see the Categories of the Floor plans of Hindu temples
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There are of course many Temple-projects in the recent times, particularly in the West. Most of those are drawn up very systematically. And, the one that quickly comes to my mind is the design of a Hindu Temple in Auckland, NZ.. Please do take time and read this closely.
The project designers seemed to have gone about methodically. You may see their project report .
There are, of course, many more of such projects. You may please look around for the one that would serve you as a model. And, you may even come up with your own design, which could guide others.
Please also see the design of the Hindu Temple of Wisconsin; and its ground plan.
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You may also read the research paper which analyzes, and interprets the architecture of the Temple at Eads, Tennessee, USA
There are similar research papers which discuss the temple architecture and design, in general terms, taking broader perspective. For instance; try the following
Construction of a house for Viṣhṇu
The South Indian Hindu temple building design system A paper which, among other things , talks about dimensional analysis.
Agamas and Indian temples: graphical translation and analysis.
Building Science of Indian Temple Architecture
I feel that it would be better to adopt a ‘project approach’ to your venture, than going by solitary concepts.
These project reports would help you to gain a more clear view of your objective; and, how to go about it.
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2. As regards the Door ways to the Sanctum , there are varied norms. the Padma Samhita (Kriya-pada.2.33-34) states that the door to the East is productive of happiness;the Door to the West enhances nourishment; the Door to the North brings prosperity and wealth; and, the Door to the South leads to liberation
Prag-dwaram sukhadam; Vrddih paschimam pusti –vardhanam; Dhanadam ch Uttaram dwaram; Dwaram yabhyam ca Mokshadam.
Generally, the Doorways to the East are considered best (Uttamottamam); to the West next best (Uttamam); to the South is middling (Madhyamam); and, to the North is inferior(Adhama)
These prescriptions are , of course, general guide line. When you are undertaking a project, you have to take all factors into consideration, in consultation with an experienced Sthapathi.
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3. I would advise you to consult an expert in the field, a practicing Architect/Sthapathi or a scholar like DR. G Gnanananda , a well respected scholar and author, who has written several texts on temple architecture. He may be contacted at his home at : : No.1122 , 5th Main , Gokhale Road, BEML Layout , 3rd Stage , Rajarajeshwari Nagar , Bangaore – 560098 . He can also be contacted on : 080- 2860 4107 or 98863 17368 (M); at yeshu2119@gmail.com
I suggest you may either write or speak to the learned Professor or send him an E-mail providing full details of your temple-project.
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I am aware that I have not been of great help to you. But, I hope, this would help you to take a broader view of your project and proceed further.
May the Mother bless us all
Please keep in touch
Regards
Nimai
February 5, 2020 at 1:17 pm
Thank you for your valuable reply.
The links you have given are very detailed informative and very relevant for my service to Lord Krishna.
Hare Krishna….
sreenivasaraos
February 5, 2020 at 1:21 pm
you are welcome
Global Environmentalist (@12WorldValues)
February 3, 2019 at 12:25 am
Amazing and valuable information. Thanks. But I can’t find the name of its author. So who is the masked man/woman?
Matthew at lovewisdom.net
Shastry MVN
February 8, 2019 at 5:45 am
Dear Sir,
I am Shastry, from Hyderabad, Telangana. I have proposed to build a huge temple for Lord Shiva & Maa Parvathi Devi.
Solicit your help in guiding me few good architects who can help in designing and building the temple as per Dravida culture.
Regards,
Shastry
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Viji
February 22, 2019 at 9:15 pm
Dear Sir, Wonderful blog… very informative. thx. I am interested in Srngaranatyam from Bharatarnava. Can you provide suggestions on books, articles and other material relevant to this topic. Also sculptures and paintings from which the information can be gathered. I am a bharatnatyam dancer. Thx
sreenivasaraos
February 23, 2019 at 1:34 am
Dear Viji
You are welcome.
I have posted a series concerning the The Texts of the Indian Dance Traditions.
As a part of that , I have posted an articles on Bharatarnava ascribed to Nandikeshvara.
Please click the following link
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2018/11/12/the-texts-of-the-indian-dance-traditions-part-twelve/
I suggest, you may read this in combination with the one on Abhinayadarpana
Please let me know, for more
Regards
Vik Kennick
March 24, 2019 at 10:39 pm
Dear Learned Sir: I was reading your pages on Uddalaka Aruni and came across information that bears on questions I had about the relationship between brahmins and kshatriyas in the middle Vedic period. YOU SAID: “4.6. Jaiminiya Brahmana (1.22-25) mentions that Uddalaka Aruni along with four other Brahmins (Yajnavalkya Vajasaneya , Barku Varsna, Priya Anasruteya, and Budila Asvatarsvi Vaiyaghrapadya) approached King Janaka of Videha with a request to teach them about Agnihotra.” MY QUESTION IS: Janaka, as a king, would be a kshatriya. How did he attain deep knowledge of Yajna and Agnihotra, which presumably would be the province of brahmins? Also you mention that Janaka was very learned. How did he acquire his education. ALSO, perhaps you could give some idea on how a kshatriya (e.g., Gautama Buddha) could acquire a brahmin gotra. Thanks very much. I much appreciate that you share your comprehensive and detailed knowledge.
sreenivasaraos
March 25, 2019 at 5:39 am
Dear Vik Kennick
Thanks for the visit; and for reading the article closely
First, Janaka: Janaka, the king of Videha, is mentioned in a number of ancient texts; such as: Satapatha Brahmana (11.3.1.2), Brihararanyaka Upanishad (3.1.1), Jaiminiya Brahmana (1.22-25) and the Kausitaki Upanishad (4.1). He was a contemporary of the renowned scholars of those days; such as Yajnavalkya Vajaseniya, Uddalaka Aruni , his son Svetaketu, Satyakama Jabala, Ushasthi Chakrayana, Gargi Vachaknavi and others. He was hailed as Raja-rishi, the saint king, who had acquired a deep knowledge and true understanding of Atma Vidya. During his time, the Kuru Panchala region came to be recognized as the home of Upanishad-philosophies. And, Janaka presided over debates and discussions concerning the nature of Brahman, as the Ultimate Reality.
Janaka, it is said, was well versed not only in the philosophies, but also in the practices of a disciplined chaste living. Satapatha Brahmana (11.6.2.10) did, in fact, recognize him as a virtual Brahmin, by virtue of his knowledge and understanding
yājñavalkyo varaṃ dadau sa hovāca kāmapraśna eva me
tvayi yājñavalkyāsaditi tato brahmā janaka āsa
It is said; many learned Brahmins approached King Janaka seeking instructions on certain spiritual matters.
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Since you mentioned Agnihotra, in particular, let me draw your attention to an interesting discussion concerning it, as detailed in Jaiminiya Brahmana (1.19-20). It is rather lengthy and tedious, please bear with me.
Yajnavalkya asserts: The Agnihotra cow indeed is the speech. Her calf is mind. . They milk the mother (cow) whose milk has been caused to flow by mind (calf).The mind , here, comes first; and, is followed by speech. Therefore, the mother cow runs after the calf that walks in front. The milk-post is the heart; the rope is the breath. With breath, indeed, speech and mind are tied up to the heart. With a rope he ties the calf and the mother to the milk-post.
Janaka, the King of Videha, questions Yajnavalkya: ‘Do you know Agnihotra?’; Yes I do, ,replied Yajnavalkya. ‘What is it?’; ‘Milk’. If there is no milk with what would you perform Angihotra?’- ‘With rice and barley’. ‘If there is no rice and barley, with what would you perform the offering?’ – ‘with any other corn’. ‘If there would be no other corn, with what would you perform the offering?’ – ‘with forest herbs’. ‘If there would be no forest herbs, with what would you perform the offering?’ – ‘with water’. ‘If there would be no water, with what would you perform the offering’? To that, Yajnavalkya, finally replied: ‘then indeed there would be nothing at all here ; and yet , the offering would be performed by truth and faith’.
Satisfied with Yajnavalkya’s reply, King Janaka spoke ‘Yajnavalkya, you know what is Agnihotra. I honour you. Take away those thousand cows, Sir’
[Source; Jaiminīya Brāhmaṇa I, 1-65: Translation [from the Sanskrit] and Commentary- edited by H. W. Bodewitz ]
Janaka, who questioned Yajnavalkya, obviously knew very well about Agnihotra.
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As regards the Kshatriyas and their excellence in their learning in various branch of philosophies, please see the note given below paragraph 3.1, in my post ‘ Who was Uddalaka Aruni? – Part One’
[ It appears from the Chandogya-Upanishad (8-14-1; 5-11, 24; 1-8, 9; 1-9-3, 7-1-3, and 5-11); Brihadaranyaka-Upanishad (2-1-20, 2-3 -6); and Kausitiki Brahmana (2-1, 2; 10, 4.) that during the early Upanishad-period the Kshatriyas were adepts in Adhyatma-Vidya. For instance; king Ajatashatru of Kasi , in an assembly of the Kuru-Panchalas , consoles the Brahmin lad Svetaketu, son of Uddalaka Aruni of the Gautama Gotra that he need not be sorry for his inability to explain certain principles of Adhyatma-Vidya , because that has , so far, been the preserve of the Kshatriyas – tasmād u sarveṣu lokeṣu kṣatrasyaiva praśāsanam abhūd iti (Chandogya-Upanishad: 5-3).]
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Now, as regards the question of Gotra you mentioned; yes, the Shakyas of Kshatriya race belonged to Gautama Gotra. Hence, the person born in the Sakya clan; and the one who later gained renown, universally, as the Buddha, was addressed as Gautama Buddha. Similarly, the women belonging to the Sakya clan went by the name of Gautami.
In the same way, Mahaveera, another Kshatriya, the founder of Jainism, belonged to Kashyapa Gotra.
Here, Gautama and Kashyapa were both Maharishis, great sages. The Brāhmaṇas who profess Gautama-gotra are generally family descendants; while the Kṣhatriyas who profess Gautama-gotra are all in the line of his disciples. This has been the common practice down the ages , even with regard to the other Gotras.
Regards
Sunil Sunkara
March 28, 2019 at 5:25 pm
Been following your articles. Truly wonderful work. Thank you
sreenivasaraos
March 28, 2019 at 6:34 pm
Dear Sunil
You are most welcome
Cheers
Surendra Kumar Negi
April 2, 2019 at 7:16 am
Dear Sir, My best regards. May you please enlighten me on Sementics in Vedas and later in india. Thanks.
sreenivasaraos
April 2, 2019 at 9:07 am
Dear Shri Surendra
Could you kindly amplify your question ?
Cheers
Dear SirThanks.. In the field of Sementics much research work has been done.I am specially interested in "Sementic Primes and Universals" and interested in reading related relevent material in Vedas and other Indian scripture. Thanks.
April 2, 2019 at 9:19 pm
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sreenivasaraos
April 8, 2019 at 6:33 am
Dear Shri Surendra
Please pardon me for the delay in responding. I was away for some time.
Sementics, as I understand, is the science of the meaning of words. It is also concerned with what binds the words together; and, their relation with the objects. In other words, it is a science of meaning of language; where, words, symbols, signs etc., and their relation are analyzed. It determines the meaning of different words in different contexts and perspectives.
In the context of the Vedas, the two types of very ancient texts that come to my mind are the Nighantu and the Nirukta.
The Nighantu is a glossary or a compilation of words in the Vedas, grouped into thematic categories, often with brief annotations. And, it could be called as a reference work dealing with the science of words (Abhidhanashastra). However, Nighantu is not a Dictionary (Artha-Kosha), though it could be compared to glossaries and thesauri.
According to Yaska (Nirukta 1.20), the Nighantu was a collection of rare or difficult words gathered by earlier sages for easier understanding of Vedic texts that perhaps they themselves may not have fully understood .
The Nighantu was followed by the Nirukta (literally meaning, explained / interpreted). It is regarded as one of the six ancillaries to the Vedas (Vedanga). It is a systematic glossary, which helps to understand archaic, uncommon words in the Vedic passages that were composed during or prior to the 2nd-millennium BCE. Besides, being the study concerning the correct interpretation of Sanskrit words in the Vedas, the Nirukta also covers etymology. Thus, Nirukta goes beyond the mere Sementics.
Thus, the revelation of the meaning of words is the main purpose of the Nighantu and also of the Nirukta. The basic position taken up by these texts is that : a sentence is a collection of words; a word is a collection of phonemes; and, the meaning of a sentence appearing in a Vedic passage has to be understood through its context; its stated purpose; the subject matter that is being discussed; what is stated; how ; where; and, when.
Of the many Nirukta-s that were prevalent in the very ancient India, the one compiled by Yaska (prior to sixth century BCE) is the most celebrated. Yaska’s Nirukta is an indispensible aid to understand the true import of the passages of the Rig-Veda. It is designed to determine the exact meaning of the Vedic Mantras. Yakska’s work has stood the test of time; and is continued to be referred to as an authoritative text.
However, Yaska was not the first scholar to attempt such an exercise. Yaska, in fact, mentions , as many as, twelve earlier Nirukta-karas and to their views : Aupamanyava; Aurnanabha; Audumbarayana; Agrayana; Varshyayani Sakapuni; Gargya; Talava; Kaitiki; Kaushitiki; Sthaulashtivi; and, Katthakya.
Yaska, obviously, was well versed in all the branches of Vedic literature. He was well acquainted with the views of the different Schools of interpretations of the Vedic mantras that were prevalent during his time. For instance ; Yaska cites the views of : Nairuktas (Etymologists); Yajnikas ( Ritualists); Vaiyakaranika ( Grammarians); Naidanas ( those professing views on primary causation); Aithihasikas (experts in myths and legends); and, Parivrajakas ( wandering philosophers).
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Yaska regarded Nirukta as an explanatory text that complements Vyakarana (Grammar). But, the two – Nirukta and Vyakarana- differ, in the sense that each has a different focus. Vyakarana deals with grammatical analysis to establish the exact form of words that is to be employed, to properly express a given idea; while, Nirukta focuses on linguistic analysis in order to help establish the proper meaning of those words, given the context they are used. Yaska asserts that the proper study of the Vyakarana is a prerequisite for the study of Nirukta (Nirvacana shastra).
The greater use of the Nirukta is in its application as a reliable tool to accurately analyze and understand the true import of the words in the Vedic mantras. As Yaska puts it in his Nirukta, the aim was to understand the real significance of the word and to bring out the meaning of the uttered word (arthanityah parikseta -Nir: 2.11).
Yaska approached this problem through a semantic analysis of words, by breaking them down into their components, and then combined them in the context they were used to propose what the archaic words could have meant.
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Yaska’s Nirukta extensively refers to the Nighantu (278 words of the Naigama and the 151 names of the Daivata, in detail). And, technically, it could be called as a commentary on Nighantu; as also as a treatise on etymology.
Nirukta could also be understood as Etymology. A thorough knowledge of the science of Nirukta is considered essential for gaining a correct understanding various meanings of a word or term appearing in the Vedas with reference to their context. Therefore, Yaska’s work, written in classical Sanskrit (though somewhat archaic), is recognized as one of the most important Vedangas (limbs of the Vedas).
Here, Etymology primarily belongs to linguistics. Formally, Etymology is a part of grammar and Sementics. It has two aspects phonetic and Sementic. Etymology/Nirukta itself has many other multiple aspects , all of which are convergent with the main theme i.e. casting light upon the words their origin/root the process of their genes is/derivation and their development.
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Yaska-charya, the great etymologist of the ancient India, believed that every Vedic word has an expressive power to denote a certain sense. And, as a signifier (vacaka), every word is eternal (vyaptimattvat tu sabdasya – Nir.I.2); and, is critical in arriving at an unerring meaning of a statement. Thus, the word, the meaning and their mutual relations are eternal. In his remarkable work Nirukta (etymology or Nirvacana shastra) , Yaska attempts to establish the proper meaning of certain selected Vedic words (including their prepositions and the particles), in the context of ‘how, where, when and why’ it is stated. For the purpose of his study, Yaska chose about 600 stanzas from the Rig-Veda; and created a well organized glossary to understand and to interpret, particularly, the archaic, uncommon words used in the Vedic texts.
His study also included a system of rules for forming words from roots and affixes. According to Yaska, every word is derived from a root; and by analysing the root, its tendency and the suffix, it is possible to establish the relation between word and its meaning. In the Nirukta, Yaska has tried to explain those selected Vedic words from the perspective of the various linguistic aspects; parts of speech (padajatani) such as: noun (naman), verb (akyata), preposition (upasarga), and particle (nipata).
A central premise of Yaska was that man creates more new words to conceptualize and describe action; which is to say that the nouns often have verbal roots. However, he mentioned, that not all words have verbal roots. He asserted that both the meaning and the etymology of words are always context sensitive. Words are created, according to Yaska, to express external or internal objects/ reality perceived by man. And, such creations are of six modifications of Kriya (action) and Bhava (dynamic being), namely being born, existing, changing, increasing, decreasing and perishing.
In addition, Yaska takes up the general definitions, special definitions, synonyms, homonyms (words that share the same pronunciation but convey different meanings), common and obscure grammatical forms, words and their meanings, and the etymology of these words. Yaska terms such analytical method as samaskara (treatment) or sastrakrto yogah (grammatical combination.
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As regards its structure, Yaska’s Nirukta is composed in five Chapters. The first three chapters (together called as Naighantuka Kanda) give synonyms. The first Adhyāya (Chapter) deals mainly with physical things and objects of nature. The second Adhyāya deals mainly with man, his physical being, and qualities associated with his being, such as property and emotional states. The third Adhyāya deals mainly with abstract qualities and concepts.
The fourth Adhyaya (Naigama Kanda) gives homonyms (words that are spelled the same and sound the same, but have different meanings); and, the fifth Adhyaya (Daivata Kanda) deals with the epithets of divine beings, deities (Devata) of a given Mantra.
Yaska’s Nirukta is marked by clarity, brevity and authenticity. It hardly needs a commentary. Yet; there have been a fair number of commentaries (Bhashya) on Yaska’s work; Such as the commentaries by scholars like: Durgasimha (perhaps before the 4th-century?); Skandaswamin (14th century) ; Devaraja-yajva ( early 14th century); and, Mahesvara (15th century)
Durga’s commentary is considered very useful and important; because, it repeats every term of Yaska and offers commentary thereon. It is thus both a text and a commentary as well.
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You may please refer to a critical edition of the Nighantu and the Nirukta; a very scholarly work: The Nighantu and The Nirukta (the oldest Indian treatise on Etymology, Philology and Sementics) Edited and translated by Prof. Lakshman Sarup ; Published by Motilal And Banarsidass ( 1926).
https://archive.org/details/nighantuniruktao00yaskuoft/page/n5
For the plain text of the Yaska’s Nirukta you may click on
: http://gretil.sub.uni-goettingen.de/gretil/1_sanskr/1_veda/5_vedang/3_pratis/niruktau.htm
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I trust this answers your question to some extent
If you have read up to here, I admire your patience and fortitude.
Have a very Happy Ugadi and a New Year
Cheers and regards
sreenivasaraos
October 11, 2019 at 3:38 am
Dear Surendra
I came across the following paper. See , if it would be of any help to you . Thanks
Houben 1997 – The emergence of semantics in … the Sanskrit tradition-compressé.
Shashank
April 12, 2019 at 8:36 am
Hello, I have found your blog to be very helpful for my on going research. Thank you so much. I would like to get your personal contact details so that I can ask you few doubts and get some clarification. Here is my email id shashank.s.giri@gmail.com
sreenivasaraos
April 13, 2019 at 3:13 am
Dear Shri Shashank
Thank you for the visit; and, for the appreciation
I wish you were a little more clear.
Can you please let me know : which blog here was helpful to you?
What is the area of your research?
How was the blog/blogs related to your field of study
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As regards the doubts / clarifications that you mentioned
If you can frame a set of specific questions; and, send them on to me, here
I shall try to reply to the extent of my limited understanding
Happy Sri Nama_Navami. Jai Sri Ram
Regards
Jayen Mistry
June 13, 2019 at 6:46 am
Dear Sreenivasarao,
I am just a browser/ surfer on the net with an interest in indian Art and Philosophy. I have found your articles interesting and informative. Many thanks for sharing your valuable knowledge.
sreenivasaraos
June 13, 2019 at 8:18 am
Dear Jayen
You are most welcome.
I trust you read some of the series on certain subjects
Cheers and Regards
Sushant Rao
June 21, 2019 at 7:56 pm
Dear Sreenivasarao,
I just read your write-up on the history and evolution of Ganapati. I really enjoyed it and wanted to thank you for your immense contribution to society. On the internet where there are number of half-baked summaries on the topic, the depth and thoroughness with which you approached the subject was leaps and bounds above the rest.
Sincerely,
Sushant
sreenivasaraos
June 22, 2019 at 1:31 am
Dear Sushant
Thank you for the visit; and, for the appreciation
Please also read its companion article
Ganapathi, the lord of the Ganas
at
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/30/ganapathi-the-lord-of-the-ganas/
Regards
planet9co
July 6, 2019 at 5:29 am
Namaskar !!
Heartiest congratulations for this brilliant endeavor. The Dharma Pataka is still intact because of Divine entities like you. My best wishes.
Pranam !
sreenivasaraos
July 6, 2019 at 5:47 am
Dear Shri Alok
Thank you for the visit; and, for the appreciation
An appreciation coming from an erudite scholar , like you, is truly priceless
Warm Regards
planet9co
July 6, 2019 at 9:25 am
I am Humbled Sir !!
Sushrutha S
July 16, 2019 at 6:15 am
Namaste Mahodaya,
From one of my friends I started reading this blog. For my surprise all these thoughts presented here resemble mine. You are articulating in a fabulous manner to reach the interested seekers.
I was wondering, if I can use some of your writings to educate our students of psychology.
Dhanyavadah.
sreenivasaraos
July 16, 2019 at 7:53 am
Dear Sushrutha
Thanks for the visit ; and , for the appreciation
May I know whether you are referring to a particular blog; or , in general
Yes Sir, of course , you can make a good use of the material here
Please let me know the subject and which level you are teaching
Regards
Sushrutha S
July 16, 2019 at 9:40 am
Namaste,
I teach to the UG, PG and PhD level students.
All of your write ups are very much informative in general and encouraging the readers to get deeper into the subjects.
I’ll give the reference of this website if I extract any information needed, I was just thinking if there is any copyright or privacy policies reserved by you for us to distribute in private circulation.
Dhanyavadah.
sreenivasaraos
July 18, 2019 at 2:25 am
Dear Sushruta
I am happy someone is reading the articles posted here, closely
If young persons find these readable, useful and from which they can learn something , what more can one ask
You make a good and legitimate use of the materials here.
It would, of course, please me if the source is acknowledged
Cheers and Regards
Sushrutha S
July 22, 2019 at 2:32 pm
Namaste,
Do you have any source of Indian Sciences exclusively, all the Shastras are sciences only, but curious to know whether you have a collection of them in short.
sreenivasaraos
July 22, 2019 at 4:45 pm
Can you please be more specific ;say, the subject or technique etc.
Thanks
Madan Gupta
August 13, 2019 at 3:12 am
Respected Sir
I admired with your work. I am Madan Gupta. Working on ancient Indian technology. I need your help. I am not a research scholar. It is my interest. I would like to meet you in person. Let me know your address and phone no. My phone no. 9441200112.
sreenivasaraos
August 13, 2019 at 4:04 pm
Thank you Dear Madan for the appreciation.
Most of the times, I would be in travel.
I would rather prefer if you could frame a set of specific questions; and, send them on to me , here.
I will attempt to reply to the extant of my limited ability.
Regards
Virendra Tripathi
August 14, 2019 at 2:35 pm
Pranam Sir My name is Virendra Tripathi firstly I would like to thank you for this valuable resources you put up here it is very very useful for us I have just completed my coursework for PhD My area of interest is Sankhya and Yoga philosophy .My topic is not declared yet .I would be very greatful if you could suggest me some new topics for PhD on Sankhya or Yoga Philosophy.please Sir
sreenivasaraos
August 15, 2019 at 2:03 am
Dear Shri Virendra
Thank you for the visit; and, for the appreciation
I am truly glad that you are progressing wonderfully well in your academics
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As regards Samkhya; as you may have noticed, I have been following and interpreting the traditional texts.
But, in recent times incredibly diverse ways of interpretations and applications are being undertaken both by the Indian and the Western scholars. The subjects of comparative studies and researches range from theories of cognition; consciousness; thought processes; psychological and physical effects of Yoga; meditation processes and effects; and, a myriad other subjects related to Samkhya and Yoga; and so on.
I am, of course, not very familiar with such studies and research papers. I am, therefore, not competent to advice on the issue you raised.
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Yet; I may mention that I have come across several highly well produced research papers and thesis that discuss in a very scholarly manner various issues related to Samkhya and Yoga in the context / in conjunction with the modern western thought systems and theories.
(1) For instance; you may start with the paper, which discusses “How Do Theories of Cognition and Consciousness in Ancient Indian Thought Systems Relate to Current Western Theorizing and Research?” –
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4791389/
This paper raises number of very interesting issues, which you may like to pursue.
(2) There is also a paper which discusses Samkhya and Yoga psychology and psychoanalysis (of both Freudian and Jungian)
Click to access WorldThreeIntroduction.pdf
(3) Shri G. Srinivasan has produced a detailed technical paper on Samkhya (Secret Of Sankhya: Acme Of Scientific Unification) ; it is filled with equations, diagrams and scientific terms. It, of course, is far beyond my level of understanding.
Click to access Scientific%20Unification,Sankhya.pdf
(4)There is also a study of Kshetra and Kshetrajna of Bhagavad-Gita in relation to the concepts of Samkhya
https://www.academia.edu/37965709/Ksetraksetrajnayogah_Bhagavad_Gita_13_
Randhyashya_Explanation_of_
Chapter_13_The_Field_and_the_Knower-of-the-Field_Ksetra_and_the_Ksetrajna_From_Book_13_of_the_Bhagavad_Gita
(5) There is an interesting study of “Modern Samkhya: Ancient Spirituality for the Contemporary Atheist” – https://www.academia.edu/24752495/Modern_Samkhya_Ancient_Spirituality_
for_the_Contemporary_Atheist
(6) Please check the following site which suggests many new Perspectives on Samkhya Darshana
https://www.academia.edu/Documents/in/Pre-classical_Samkhya_and_Yoga ,
(7) There is a whole list of plausible areas of studies and also the recent studies conducted. Please check all the six pages; and, take a glance at various issues mentioned therein
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?cmd=link&linkname=pubmed_pubmed&uid=27014150&log$=
relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pmc
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I am aware that I have not been of much help to you. I, therefore , suggest that you may discusses with your co-learners, teachers etc; and, more importantly, ponder over , locate and identify the areas of study that interest you most.
Please let me know, if I can be of any assistance
Wish you success in all your endowers
Cheers and Regards
Sandhya
September 9, 2019 at 4:48 am
Happy Day Sir,
I was going through the text Chaturdandi Prakashan.
Can you please let know where does this line appear in the text.
Gita-prabandha-sthaya-alapa-rupa-chatur –dandi
tried finding it.
not able to trace this line which mentions the core fundamental of the text.
if you could help me with the shloka number it will be really useful sir.
regards
Sandhya Sankar
sreenivasaraos
September 16, 2019 at 4:43 pm
Dear Sandhya
Pardon me for the delay in responding to your very interesting observation. I was not keeping well for some time.
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The Chaturdandi-Prakashika of Venkatamakhin is essentially a compilation of the past theories (Lakshana) and practices (Lakshya); and, many of those were age-old. By the time of Venkatamakhin (perhaps around the year 1650), some of the musical formats (say, like, Prabandha) were almost fading away; and, were no longer in common use.
Though the Chaturdandi-Prakashika is not altogether an original composition, it serves a very useful purpose as a digest or a repository of the traditions and practices of the bygone era. But for this encyclopedic work, some of the significant developments that took place in the history of Karnataka Samgita might have been lost to us. The Chaturdandi-Prakashika thus forms a bridge between the ancient and what might perhaps be called as the modern periods.
And you , as a research scholar, know very well, the importance of the Chaturdandi-Prakashika in the present-day system of Indian music, is that it provides a basis for classifying the Ragas , arranged under the cluster of seventy-two primary Ragas (Mela) , with a large number of derivative (Janya) Ragas springing from each of such main (parent –Janaka) Ragas.
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In his work, Venkatamakhin talks, in detail, about the melodic forms or musical formats that were prominent before his time. He fondly recalls and pays tributes to the Maestros of the earlier days like Gopala Nayaka (1205-1315) and Tanappa-charya whom he calls Parama-guru (Guru’s Guru), who , he says, were renowned exponents and performers of Charurdandi – four forms of song-formats comprising Gita, Prabandha, Thaya and Aalapa (Gita-Prabandha-Sthaya-Aalapa-rupa) – (Page 79 Prabandha Prakaranam ; Verses 4-6)
Gita-Prabandhyorevam Bhedo yadi Na kalpayate / Kutah siddhyo Chaturdandi krutho Gopala Nayakah // 5//
Pratyuktam tu Chaturdandi-tyato Gita Prabandhyoh / Bhedath pruth Prakaranam Prabandartha pravartate //6//
Here, just as the Gita and Prabandha are considered separate and distinct, the Aalapa and Thaya were also treated as distinct forms; though all the four, together, constituted the composite Chaturdandi .
Venkatamakhin, therefore, recognizes these four types of song-formats as “the illuminating four pillars”. It alludes to a system of four divisions of composition, namely Aalāpa (free flowing exposition of a Raga); Thāya (melodic inflection); Gīta (vocal composition set to a Raga); and, Prabandha (a structured composition). The Chaturdandi-Prakashika of Venkatamakhin is mainly a treatise on Music that illumines these four forms of song-formats. But, within a century all these forms were superseded; and, were replaced by the Kriti, the song format par excellence, which emerged as the dominant component of the concert repertoire.
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The earliest mention of the four types of melodic forms (Gita-Prabandha-Sthaya-Aalapa), in a sequence, occurs in Svara-mela Kalanidhi of Ramamatya (1550 CE)
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Gita-Prabandhaka-Alapa –Thaya yogya bhavanti hi Ity uttama ragah (Raga-prakaranam – sloka 5 on page 30)
While classifying the Desi Ragas of his time, Ramamatya considers about twenty Ragas which are not mixed with the shades of other Ragas (Asankirnatya), as the best among all the forms (Uttamottama) ; and, as most suitable for rendering the Gita, Prabandha, Aalapa and Thaya . He mentions that the other two class of Ragas – middling (Madhyamā) and inferior (Adhama) – are unfit for rendering all these four formats.
Following Ramamatya, Venkatamakhin also mentions that the Gita, Thaya and Prabandha of Tanappa and others are available for most of the Ragas. But some Desi Ragas like Kalyani and Pantuvarali are unfit for using the format of Chaturdandi (Raga-prakaranam – Slokas 107-108 page 65 )
Kalyani ragah sampurna Aarohe Mani varjitah / Gita Prabandha yogyo api turuskaranamati priyah // 107//
Ragah Pantuvaralyakhya sampurna pamara priyah / Gita Thaya Prabandhanam duraad duratarah smruthah // 108//
Another text of the Vijayanagara period (Ca.1525) Sangita-sµryodaya, names: Sthayi, Arohi, Avarohi, and Sanchari varnas, as the components of the Chaturdandi (III. Svarådhyåya)
Further, Tulaja Maharaja I (who ruled Thanjavur from 1729-35 CE) in his Sangita-Saramruta explains the term Chaturdandi and its concept by illustrating through application (prayoga) of various musical formats, such as: Gita, Aalapa, Thaya, Prabandha, Suladi, Sloka, Varna, Daru, and Pada. He tries to illustrate the Rupa (form) that a Raga takes in each of those song-formats, revealing its varied aspects in each type of composition. He explains; of all those formats only the four – Gita, Thaya, Aalapa and Prabandha – which are well grounded in tradition, together appear to be the classical modes of Raga presentation. In other words; considering the importance assigned to these four types of musical forms, it could be said that they formed the regular and principal materials for the music performances of those times.
It is said; the structure of a Raga, its melodic content is interrelated and complicated. And, one has also to take into consideration the aesthetic factors for creating a musical flavor (Rasa) and significance that is unique to each Raga.
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Thus, the concept of Chaturdandi had been running through all along, as four channels, for illustrating and giving expression to classical (Uttama) Raga forms. And, this mode of presentation appears to have been the mainstay of the performances of instrumental and vocal music during the times prior to that of Venkatamakhin.
Just as Raja Tulaja did, Venkatamakhin also regarded that only the four – Gita, Thaya, Aalapa and Prabandha – which are well grounded in tradition, together are capable of classical (Uttamottama) Raga presentation. He was, of course, influenced by the rich musical tradition of the past, largely shaped by these four forms of presentation. The title assigned by Venkatamakhin to his work, namely Chaturdandi Prakashika, therefore, seems to have come about as a consequence of those influences. Venkatamakhin in his work dealt with each of these four channels of Raga expressions, exclusively, in each chapter, which form the core content of his treatise, consisting a total of ten chapters.
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Yes Maa, as you rightly observed, the line Gita-prabandha-sthaya-alapa-rupa-chatur –dandi, in sequence, per se, does not seem to specifically appear in the text of the Chaturdandi Prakashika. Yet; the concept of Chaturdandi had been consistently appearing, like a phrase that repeats at the end of a verse of song or like a thread that runs through all along, in the texts of the Karnataka Samgita tradition, since the time of Ramamatya.
Venkatamakhin, perhaps, considered Chaturdandi, the standard types of melodic forms, as a very significant phase in the unfolding of the Music tradition of India. Hence, he accorded greater importance to the system of four divisions of composition; and, named his text as Chaturdandi-Prakashika, the four illuminating pillars of Music.
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I am not sure if I have been any help to you at all. But, I hope this spurs you along your research project with Godspeed.
Please keep in touch; and, let me know how well you are progressing
Cheers and regards
Sankar Sandhya
September 16, 2019 at 5:00 pm
thank you so much sir for the detailed explanation
sreenivasaraos
September 16, 2019 at 5:37 pm
OK Maa , you are welcome
But, was it of any help to you
Cheers
Sankar Sandhya
September 17, 2019 at 1:37 am
Yes sir . A little.
Jay
September 9, 2019 at 5:48 am
Hi Sir,
You cover a lot of topics. Can you please share knowledge on vasanas and how does one overcome them?
Thanks,
Jay
sreenivasaraos
September 17, 2019 at 1:32 am
Dear Jay
Pardon me for the delay in responding
Yes; Vasana is indeed a very interesting subject
I have not written exclusively on Vasanas
But, I did touch upon it in the course of commenting upon Dr. Sekhar’s blog concerning Genopsych , an innovative concept
Please check and refer to Part B
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/28/on-reading-dmrsekhars-genopsych/
Cheers
sreenivasaraos
September 17, 2019 at 1:33 am
Dear Jay
Pardon me for the delay in responding
Yes; Vasana is indeed a very interesting subject
I have not written exclusively on Vasanas
But, I did touch upon it in the course of commenting upon Dr. Sekhar’s blog concerning Genopsych , an innovative concept
Please check and refer to Part B
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/28/on-reading-dmrsekhars-genopsych/
Cheer
Sumathi Vikram
December 16, 2019 at 5:04 am
Namaskaram Sir,
I am a Bharathanatyam dancer and I recently came across your blog while looking for commentaries from the natya shastra . In general I was looking for a good text that has excellent commentaries on the treatise . Do you have any recommendations on books that are a must read for a dancer ? In addition I also can e across your articles on Nartana- Nirnaya. Are there books published and how can I gain access to these ?
Amazing amazing work and very excited to have stumbled onto this .
Regards
sreenivasaraos
December 16, 2019 at 5:52 am
Dear Sumathi
I am delighted that you – an erudite and practicing Bharatanatyam Dancer – stumbled upon this site.
I trust you found it interesting ; and, possibly, useful .
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As regards the texts dealing with the Indian Dancing traditions (Lakshana-granthas) , some of which also cover the Lakshya ( practice) aspects.
I had posted a series covering about 15(?) such Granthas -commencing from the Natyashastra.
You may commence from the following, and, read till your patience runs out.
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2018/09/23/the-texts-of-the-indian-dance-traditions-part-one/
It would be purposeful, if the articles are read in their sequence.
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I would be very interested in your feedback; as , it would help me to rectify the inconsistencies ; and to improve the content of the articles , particularly in the context of Dance as it is being practiced and taught in the present-day.
I would also like to know if the articles are”readable”; not too tedious.
I value your comments.
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Regarding the Books etc., that you mentioned; it might be difficult to obtain a single book commenting on all of the ancient texts.
I reckon, you may have to go text-by-text.
You may refer to the links to certain texts that I have referred to within the body of the articles
And, you may also check the links to the texts and other materials that I have listed under “Sources and References” at the bottom of each post.
That would help you to cover quite a substantial area
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Please keep talking
Cheers and Regards
DKM Kartha
January 7, 2020 at 6:57 pm
namastE,
Have you written on the issue of “the relation between Word and Meaning” (SabdARttha-sambandham) as treated by the various systems of Indian daRSana-s and VyAkaraNa theorists from PaNini onwards ? If yes, could you give a reference, please ? Thank you for this valuable sharing of knowledge that you do through your remarkably detailed essays!
DKM Kartha
sreenivasaraos
January 7, 2020 at 11:40 pm
Dear Shri Kartha
Thank you for the visit; and, for the appreciation
As regards Artha , please see my series Meaning of Meaning that discusses Artha and its related issues, in various aspects . You may start with the following and read the entire series :
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2016/11/12/the-meaning-of-meaning-part-one/
You may also refer to certain parts of my series on Kavya , which also talks about Sabda -Artha
Please see the following; and thereafter
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2015/07/09/kavya-and-indian-poetics-part-one/
Happy New Year
Regards and Cheers
Francis Moraine
January 10, 2020 at 6:13 pm
Dear Sir:
Thanks so much for the amazing blog. I have read carefully your posts on Samkhya. They were immensely useful for me.
However I’m struggling with something: how is it that buddhi can be considered non-conscious? According to my understanding, buddhi includes very ‘high’ faculties such as intuition, wisdom, insight, and noetic understanding. In common language these would certainly be considered aspects of consciousness and it’s hard to imagine otherwise. Is there perhaps a more restricted meaning to the word ‘buddhi’ in the source documents? Or perhaps is the english word ‘consciousness’ a poor approximation to the source Sanskrit term of the Samkhya Karika? Any pointer would be much appreciated.
With gratitude, Riccardo (on behalf of Francis Moraine).
sreenivasaraos
April 15, 2020 at 3:40 am
Dear Mr. Francis Morine
I am terribly sorry for the inordinate delay in responding to your question. I had just lost sight of it. Please pardon me.
I belatedly came upon your comment while checking on the ‘unread messages’ during this listless lock-down; thousand apologies.
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The point you have raised is very valid. And, as you observed, the ancient Sanskrit terms, quite often, cannot be accurately transported into English. You might be able to convey the approximate sense of it; but, not always, precisely.
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Samkhya Karika describes the individual Purusha in a variety of ways, as being: an isolated (kaivalyam) witness (saksitvam) or a disinterested spectator or one who sees (drstam); and, one who is fully consciousness (chetana).
Vācaspati Misra, the commentator, remarks: only the conscious can be a seer (draṣṭā), no unconscious element can be a draṣṭā.
Purusha has no attributes; it is inactive (akartrbhava); but, “it knows”. Buddhi is not consciousness- it does not know; it only reacts and responds to stimuli passed on to it through Manas.
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The turbulence that takes place within the Prakrti disturbs the dormant tendencies (Gunas); and, sets in motion the process of evolution.
Buddhi (which usually is translated as intellect), the first of the evolutes, is the said to be the nearest element to Purusha. Yet, it is a component of the manifest world (Prakrti). The function of the Buddhi is specified as adhyavasāya (attempt to understand). The Buddhi is not conscious, despite being closest to Puruṣha.
The commentators (Vacaspati Misra) explain, Buddhi could be taken to mean a sort of perception that leads to action. Samkhya cites two types of perceptions or responses: indeterminate (Nirvikalpa) and determinate (Savikalpa)
The Nirvikalpa is said to be a sort of vague sensations. There is a rudimentary sense perception; but, there is no judgement or discriminating intellect. The usual example given is that of an infant’s initial experiences. It can sense heat, cold, touch etc; and, can lead to reaction. There is much sense-data; but there are no faculties to process them. Hence, the sensations can neither be differentiated, nor be recognized, nor be assessed for quality. Most of them are indeterminate or vague impressions.
The Savikalpa is determinate perception or mental state, which has been processed, differentiated and interpreted properly. It is an immediate cognition of an object. You might call it as discriminating intellect or judgement; but, not consciousness.
It is also said; the Manas or the mind is different from the Buddhi. The Manas receives impressions from the external world, transforms them into determinate perceptions and conveys them to the self or the ego; and, the Buddhi forms the concept
Samkhya distinguishes consciousness (chetana), the clear light- prabhasvara, from sense perceptions and responses (Vikalpa).
The object of the Yoga is to quieten the Buddhi; and, let the Cetana shine forth- chitta-vrtti nirodha
Samkhya, however, cautions: ultimately, liberation can come about only when Buddhi is transcended, since it too is part of the world of phenomena (Prakrti).
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[However, Buddhism did not “define” consciousness; perhaps, because it is nebulous; and difficult to pinpoint. But in principle, Buddhism asserts it is possible to recognize experientially what consciousness is and identify it. Please click here for more.]
Please also see The Sankya Aphorisms of Kapila, With illustrative extracts from the commentaries, Translated by James R. Ballantye, Published by Turner & Co., London – 1885
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I am not sure, if I have answered your question adequately
Thank you for raising the issue; as it did help me to think over.
Please let me know if I can be of any assistance.
Pardon me for the delay.
Please keep talking
Cheers and regards to you and to Mr. Ricardo
sreenivasaraos
April 27, 2020 at 8:18 am
Dear Francis
Please see this; it might interest you
Regards
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/01/ashtavakra-gita/
Radhika Mulay
January 18, 2020 at 7:12 am
Dear Sir,
I am a student of dance and came across your website while searching for some details. I have got hooked onto to your writings. Thank you so much for the detailed and wonderful explanations with references and analysis. I used to find Indian text very complex and difficult to understand. Within a very short time I have started developing a basic sense of understanding of ancient texts thanks to you!
Yours sincerely,
Radhika Mulay
sreenivasaraos
January 19, 2020 at 4:55 am
Dear Radhika
Thank yo for the visit; and, for the appreciation
I am very glad that you found these series of articles quite useful
I trust you went through the entire series
It would be better if the articles are read in their proper sequence.
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You may also like to read the series on the Indian classical music
And, a number of articles therein are about the Music in Natyashastra
Please check
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2015/04/24/music-of-india-a-brief-outline-part-six/
And, read the articles that follow
Regards and Cheers
Supriya
February 5, 2020 at 6:13 am
Namaste Sir,
I am studying Masters in Bharathanatyam and I have selected the topic ‘A study on Margi and Desi Lasyangas’ for my end semester project. Could you please help me to get the details of lasyangas?? I have gone through the Natyasastra and Nrtta Ratnavali but need more clarification on the topic.
Thank you so much.
Your’s sincerely,
Supriya.
sreenivasaraos
February 5, 2020 at 7:20 am
Dear Supriya
Thank you for the visit; and, for the question.
I am glad you are sincerely pursuing your study-subject
Wish you Good Luck.
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I had briefly referred to Lasyangas in some of my posts, at different places.
A. Please check the articles on
Sangita-ratnakara of Sarangadeva
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2018/12/10/the-texts-of-the-indian-dance-traditions-part-sixteen/
Nrttaratnavali of Jaya Senapati
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2018/12/04/the-texts-of-the-indian-dance-traditions-part-fifteen/
Here, the treatment of the Desi Lasyangas is more detailed
Jayasena metions about 46 Lasyangas
Dasarupa of Dhananjaya
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2017/12/17/concerning-the-dasarupa-of-dhananjaya-part-six/
B. Please also see a Shodhganga article on Dance traditions –Andhra Natyam
Another Article on MOVEMENT IN DANCE: TANDAVA, LASYA, NRITTA, LASYANGA
Click to access 8_CHAPTER%202.pdf
C. Please read a Musical Research Article on
Abhinavagupta’s Treatment of the lasyahgas
https://archive.org/stream/MusicRes-Articles/AE-Tarlekar-Lasyangas-0098_djvu.txt
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Please read the series i posted on the Texts of the Indian Dancing traditions, that may provide you with some general background
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I shall let you know in case I come across further material
Please let me know if I can be of any assistance,
Wish you success in all your endowers
May the Mother Bless You
Cheers and regards
sreenivasaraos
February 5, 2020 at 12:57 pm
Please also seethe Chapter Chapter Two of Jaya Sena’s work _Anga Pratyangani
It is in Sanskrit (Telugu script)
https://archive.org/details/TxtSktTeNRttaratnAvaliOfJayaSenapatiAPSNA19690122/page/n110/mode/1up
https://archive.org/details/TxtSktTeNRttaratnAvaliOfJayaSenapatiAPSNA19690122/page/n22/mode/1up
Ven.B.Piyabharathi
February 26, 2020 at 12:47 pm
Dear Sir, I highly appreciate this great work you have done. This will be of great service not only to India but also to other countries scholars.Thanks for about this. Sir, I’m a Sri Lankan student. I’m studying on shiksha vedanga (phonetics in sanskrit) for my m.phil. but the relevant books are difficult to find in Sri Lanka. if you have a free time please send me relevant documents or links of websites. Your support in this matter is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much.
Your’s sincerely,
Ven. B.Piyabharathi
sreenivasaraos
February 27, 2020 at 2:01 am
Dear Venerable B .Piyabharath Sir
Thank you for the visit ; and, for the appreciation / I am delighted and grateful.
As regards the Shiksha branch of the Vedangas, as you observed, it has played an important role in preserving and transmitting the Vedic texts in their purity over several centuries.
I am thinking of writing a brief note about the Shiksha ; and, hope to post it some time later
Thank you sir again
With Respects and Regards
P:S: Please check the subjects ‘Buddha’ ; “Buddhism”; and “Buddhist Women’
listed under the Categories on your right-hand side of the page.
Please let me know
I value you opinion very highly
Thanks
sreenivasaraos
February 27, 2020 at 7:41 am
in the mean time,, you may like to check the following links , which might be useful:
Chapter Four of : http://vidyavrikshah.org/VEDANGA.pdf
http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/Shiksha
Click to access 1707-1477986558.pdf
The Significance of Phonetics and Shiksha Vedanga
Cheers
Kanakam Devguptapu
March 25, 2020 at 5:53 pm
Namaskaram Sri Srinivasarao, I am in awe and amazement with the number of topics you have been covering so exhaustively in your blog! Please accept my sincere appreciation and hearty congratulations sir!
I am looking for references on Kshetrayya any time before Andhra Kaumudi of 1700. Because Sri. Balantrapu Rajanikantharao writes that there was a mention of Kshetrayya in Andhra Kaumudi of 1700. I am also looking for any site where I can get Andhra Kaumudi of 1700, as I am unable to get it in any library. Appreciate your help with these two requests.
Thanks and regards,
Kanakam
sreenivasaraos
March 27, 2020 at 1:52 am
Dear Kanakam
Thank you for the visit and for the appreciation.
Please do read the articles on the subjects that interest you; and, let me know.
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As you mentioned, Sri Balantrapu Rajanikantharao, in his work Kshetrayya (Sahitya Academy, 1981) on pages 25 and 58 mentions that Manda Lakshminarasimhakavi in his work Andhra Kaumudi (a Sanskrit text) refers to Kshetrayya as Kshetrajna Kavi, a devotee of Muvvagopala . ‘iti muvvagopala bhaktena ksetrajna kavinaa.’ This text is dated around 1700 CE.
He also refers to a Telugu verse ascribed to Kshetrayya.
Some say; the Andhra Kaumudi was also known as ‘Sarasvati Trilinga Sabda-anusasanam’. I am not very sure about this fact.
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Please check
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.5455/page/n58/mode/1up
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.5455/page/n25/mode/1up/
search/Muvvagopala+Bhaktena+Kshetrajna
And
http://guruguha.org/blog/2020/03/03/kshetrayya-a-figment/
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But, as you mentioned, the Andhra Kaumudi ascribed to Manda Lakshminarasimhakavi is not easily available.
However, the Andhra Kaumudi of Ganavarapu Venkatapathi Kavi (published by Andhra Sahitya Parishat, 1935) is available on the net. This text is also dated around 1670; and, it is in chaste classical Telugu.
I reckon you may find it a useful reference. Please click here
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Of the two versions of Andhra Kaumudi- that of Lakshminarasimhakavi and of Venkatapathi Kavi- I am not sure which one is earlier.
Venkatapathi Kavi does not seem to mention Lakshminarasimhakavi. It is probably , the earlier of the two.
I am sorry; I have not been much help. Please pardon me. You may have to consult someone who is more knowledgeable in these matters.
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In case you are interested in the poetry and music of Kshetrayya please read the article here; together with its parent site at https://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/handle/10603/25306
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Wish you a Happy New year ; and success in all your endeavors
Cheers and Regards
BTW, you may also try these variants in your search to yield more results: Cashatreya, Cowmudi, Teloogoo etc.
Kanakam Devguptapu
June 7, 2021 at 12:51 pm
Dear Sri. Sreenivasarao garu!
My sincere thanks for your detailed reply to all my doubts and questions. Due to health reasons I have not been active with neither my research nor my writing. I somehow, missed out checking your reply as well. Extremely sorry about that.
I am trying to catch up with my work from where I left some time ago.
Other than Sri Manda Lakshminarasimhakavi in his work Andhra Kaumudi (a Sanskrit text) referring to Kshetrayya as Kshetrajna Kavi, we do not have any further evidence. I want to check for further proof of his existence and know more about his compositions.
After going through all of the above references you gave, I will get back to you if I have any more questions.
Thanks again and wish you all the very best.
Warm regards,
Kanakam
sreenivasaraos
June 7, 2021 at 1:03 pm
Dear Kanakam
I am sorry you had to encounter health problems
I trust you are now doing well; and regained your health and working spirit
I hope and pray that you are back to your best very soon
Please take your time ; relax and do not be stressed
God Bless you
Be happy forever
Cheers and Regards
Prasun Chatterjee
April 2, 2020 at 11:43 pm
Hello respected Sir ,
I am truly blessed to have come accross your blog . I truly believe you have MahaSaraswatis choicest blessings upon you …Your blog is one of the most amazing treasure troves I have come accross in my life . Today is Navami tithi of Chaitra Navratri as I write this …this has to be Ma Mahasaraswatis navratri gift to me as a culmination of the Navaratris … Im sorry but I can’t stop singing your praises .. This probably is the nature of esoteric knowledge / Mahasaraswati on a seeker ..I am reminded of these verses from Saraswati mantras ‘Ya Kundendu’ and ‘Shweta padmasana Devi ‘ – ” vandita siddha gandharvai , archita Deva daanavai , pujita munibhi sarvai , rishibhih stuyatey sada ” …also ” brahmachyutashankara prabhitibhirsadai pujita , saamaampaatu Saraswati bhagavati , nishyeshajaadyaapahaa ” … I hope I have similarly / adequately praised and adored You and your noble / phenomenal undertaking … Thankyou for existing in this universe !!! 🙏🙏🙏. I have been looking up the internet ( fir really long ) for a satisfactory and scholarly discussion on the Siddha Kunjika stotram … the esoteric meaning of this mantra and word to word analysis / commentary . . . I would be extremely grateful if you could please throw some light / come up with a blog / provide some links to quench my thirst !!! Thank you once again !!! 🙏🙏🙏
Yours truly ,
Prasun Chatterjee
sreenivasaraos
April 4, 2020 at 6:35 am
Dear Shri Prasun
Thank you for the visit ; and, for the appreciation, which was rather too profuse.
Thanks anyway; and You are welcome.
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As regards the Siddha Kunjika Stotra, I have not written , exclusively about it.
However, I have referred to it, in about a paragraph , as a part of the article on The Guptavati and Navarna Mantra – Part Two
Please read here, and let me know
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2018/03/01/the-guptavati-and-navarna-mantra-part-two/
You may also follow the links/references there
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May the Mother Bless us all
Cheers and Regards
jitendra jain
April 9, 2020 at 1:49 pm
it is great information on temple could you please share the pdf for the temple vastu stuff to my email id jkpatny2016@gmail.com so can take print and read while on work.
sreenivasaraos
April 9, 2020 at 10:45 pm
Dear Shri Jain
Thanks for the visit ; and, for the appreciation.
I am sorry; I do not know how to do it.
You may, if you please, read ‘ the stuff’ , as you said, on your tablet or mobile
Thank you
Regards
Girish Srinivasan
May 5, 2020 at 7:31 pm
Respected Sir,
I have been a huge fan of your work. You are a great inspiration to me and my fellow friends who blog. I write this seeking your scholarly guidance.
My cousin is a professional Bharatnatyam and Kuchipudi dancer. She is currently pursuing MFA in classical dance under Smt. Padma Subrahmanyam. As part of her thesis, she has to present Nrutta-Mandapas in Indian temples, covering in detail at least one temple. I saw your expounding work on Natya and also on Indian temple architecture and hence felt that you might be the right person to guide us to some resources.
If possible can you help us out by leading us to some resources? In times of the COVID 19 pandemic, it is not possible for her to visit any temple personally. Thus, your contribution will be extremely helpful.
Also, we eagerly wait for your newer releases.
Thanking You,
Yours sincerely,
Girish
sreenivasaraos
May 6, 2020 at 3:33 am
Dear Girish
You are most welcome.
Glad to hear about your cousin’s pursuit of a thesis on the Nrtta-Mandapas in Indian temples. I wish her success in her venture
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The question has two aspects: Depiction of Dance figures in the Indian temples; and the second : the architecture of the of the Nrtta Mantaps in Indian temples.
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I presume she is largely interested in the depiction of Dance-images in the Mantapas, within the temple complex.
In case it is so; she may refer to the following few articles; in addition to the sources and references listed under each of my posts.
And, she can also make use of the theoretical aspects of Dance, enumerated in various texts, as I have presented.
1. Please read the Doctoral thesis on the Dance imagery in south Indian temples : study of the 108-karana sculptures, prepared by Dr. Bindu S. Shankar. She has tried to explore the symbolism and meaning of the 108-karana sculpted in the south Indian temple.
https://etd.ohiolink.edu/!etd.send_file%3Faccession%3Dosu1079459926
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2. Images of Shiva at the Kambattadi Mantapa of Madurai temple complex. The paper by C. DEEPA tries to trace out the significant and outstanding forms of Lord Siva
Please click here
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3. For Shiva’s Karanas in the temples of Tamil Nadu: the Natya Shastra in stone, please click here
4. The Doctoral Research Paper : Study of varnas in dual forms music and dance by Dr. Rajashree R Warrier
https://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/handle/10603/143855
5. The Celebration of Life: A study of sculptural and mural depictions of Dance and Music in Buddhist Art of India, by Nilofar Haja , in its introductory part gives a broad outline of the association of dance-figures with temple architecture. That could serve as a useful background material.
https://www.academia.edu/1085303/Celebration_of_Life_
A_study_of_sculptural_and_mural_depictions_of_Dance_and_Music_in_Buddhist_Art_of_India
6. There is also an interesting paper on the Dancing figures from the temple cars (Rathas) of South India by Dr. Susil Pani, Pondicherry :
https://narthaki.com/info/articles/art236.html
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As regards temple architecture and dance, please see
1. Dancing Architecture: The parallel evolution of Bharatanātyam and South Indian Architecture by Kavitha Jayakrishnan, examines the evolution of Bharatanātyam in parallel with a transforming south Indian temple architecture
https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/handle/10012/6356/Jayakrishnan_Kavitha.pdf?sequence=1
2 . For Temple Architecture and Bharatanatya , please click here
3. Thillai Nataraja Temple: https://jaideepprabhu.org/tag/unesco/
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Right now, these are the few that come to my mind.
I am sure there are plenty more very valuable papers and references out there.
One needs to search and dig deeper.
Initially, she may start with these; and, later on explore in depth and width.
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I am not sure if any of these meet her requirements or expectations.
In case she needs any further assistance from me, please ask to write to me on this site
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Wishing both of you a safe, healthy and happy life
Regards
S. Girish
May 6, 2020 at 8:43 am
Thank you sir for your prompt response. Both of us are extremely grateful for your help.
I have forwarded all the links to her and will notify you if anything else is required.
Thank You so much for your guidance.
sreenivasaraos
May 6, 2020 at 12:10 pm
Apart from the information, the research papers could serve as a model for structuring her own paper and presenting the data in an orderly manner.
Good luck and cheers
On Wed, 6 May 2020, 14:31 sreenivasarao’s blogs, wrote:
> S. Girish commented: “Thank you sir for your prompt response. Both of us > are extremely grateful for your help. I have forwarded all the links to her > and will notify you if anything else is required. Thank You so much for > your guidance.” >
bhavadharini
May 8, 2020 at 7:46 pm
hello sir, namaskar, i was going through your blog and was so happy to have found it. i am currently doing my post graduate diploma in yoga therapy and i am working on an article nada yoga, i am trying to work on connecting the ancient works of classical music literature and yoga which has given importance to nada and yoga related aspects. it would be of great help if you can help me in suggesting where i can find references of nada yoga in the clasical music literature.
sreenivasaraos
May 9, 2020 at 8:28 am
Dear Bhavadharini
Happy to learn that you are attempting a research paper on Nada Yoga
Wish you Good luck and success
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It appears, from you mentioned, three subjects are involved here: Music, Yoga and Therapy.
And, Therapy appears to be the common factor; and, is of interest to you , I presume.
There are , of course, number of papers written about these subjects.
Most of those issues are covered under Raga Chikitsa, which also includes some elements of Yoga.
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To start with, I suggest you may read the Music therapy an analytical study a well structure paper produced by Sonal Wadhwa .
In its chapter IV therapeutic uses of music in Indian classical musicological texts , it also talks about Nada Yoga – An association of Nada & Chakra (pages 289 to 293 , Para 5).
Here, the terms Nada and Yoga, as also their inter-relations are explained with reference to Classical texts.
These pages might of particular importance to you.
Apart from that, the paper covers a number of related subjects that may be of interest to you. Please check here for the Contents page , to get a birds eye- view of its coverage.
Please also go through the Bibliography; which might help you draw references from other sources.
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Please also read Sanskrit Philosophy of Nada by Michael Spiteri. This gives a general background of the subjects involved.
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The Indian Journal of Psychiatry has published a series of papers on the subject of Music and modern psychiatry. These cover Nada Yoga and Raga Chikitsa.
It is said; Music with its instantaneous pleasing effect can be an answer to misery. It is a form of art that is easily accessible anytime and anywhere. This article gives an overview of music therapy practiced in ancient India, its influence on emotion and mind, and speculates its possible clinical applications in the modern era based on the available scientific literature.
As an addendum, it lists about 74 articles related to music and therapy.
Please check if any of the listed articles would be of interest to you.
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As regards Indian Ragas and their therapeutic effects there are quite a number of papers. These also provide the textual references. Please check the following
Music Therapy for Wellness
Performing Arts and Therapeutic Implications
An Integral aspect of Raga Chikitsa (Indian Music Therapy)
Empirical Study of Indian Classical Ragas Structure and its Emotional Influence on Human Body For Music Therapy
INDIAN PERFORMING ART AS THERAPY by Rajinder Kaur
The relations between music and medicine in history and present
Traditional healing systems and modern music therapy in India
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RĀGA CHIKITSA
Therapeutic aspects and science behind raga chikitsa
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Psychiatry and music
Fusion of electroencephalographic dynamics and musical contents for estimating emotional responses in music listening.
Music and the Brain
Music and the Brain: Rhythm and Playing
Everything in life is Vibration
The phenomenon of pain in the history of music – observations of neuro-biological mechanisms of pain and its expressions in western music
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I am aware these are too many; and, all of these may not be relevant to your field of study.
And you may not be able to all of these, in detail.
But these cover the related areas also.
Take your time. Just test-check to see which ones would be useful to you.
Make a select-list.
And, also see, if your paper/s could cover a wider area.
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I am not sure if I have been of much help.
Please let me know in case I could be any assistance
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Keep safe, healthy and happy
Wish you success in all the walks of your life
May the Mother bless us all
Good luck and Cheers
ramanathanbhavi96
June 8, 2020 at 3:17 pm
Thank you so much sir. Am feeling really grateful and blessed to receive help from such a knowledgeable person.
sreenivasaraos
June 8, 2020 at 3:55 pm
Ok Maa
I am happy for you
Wish you success in your work and in life
May that Mother Bless you
Regards
S R Rao
May 9, 2020 at 6:32 am
Dear Sreenivas ji, Kindly accept my pranams. Awesome work that you have done and contributed to the Humanity. will be reading all your thoughts on a regular basis to gain some more knowledge from your blogs. God bless your all endeavours. Very Happy, I feel that I found a Treasure. Thanks so much. Hari om.
sreenivasaraos
May 9, 2020 at 8:57 am
Dear Shri Rao
You are most welcome
I am honored by your ; and, by your appreciation.
Please keep reading and writing
With Warm Regards
Namaskara
S R Rao
May 16, 2020 at 4:31 pm
Dear Sir, Pranams. Is there any plan to publish these articles as a book? Namaskaram
S R Rao
May 16, 2020 at 5:09 pm
Dear Sir. Namaste. I am looking for some clarifications on the following topics. Kindly share your views. Please excuse me for my ignorance.
1. Brahmana -the definition was given to those following the rituals as prescribed in texts are by Birth.. or Both? Kshatriyas too performed Rituals.. Most of the Rishis who have given us the Vedas are from Kshatriya Varna. How to understand this? Today’s status of Brahmins is nowhere near to what Scripture Says? Animal sacrifice seems to be very common during the rituals of Rg vedic period. Have we changed due to socio-political pressures?
2. whats the tentative Mahabharata’s time/Period. Krishna delivered Bhagawad Geetha during the battle and we believe its approx 5500 years before. Do we believe that Ananto Vai Vedah, the Samhitas, Brahmanas, and entire Vedic scriptures are being addressed by different Rishis time to time? And Aitereyas time has been fixed as 12th Century BCE. How to reconcile this? Have we lost Brahmanas and Upanishads have been written again and again in every Yuga by different Rishis?
May god bless you a long and happy life. thanks
sreenivasaraos
May 17, 2020 at 3:39 pm
Dear Shri Rao
Yes Sir. Up till the time of the Upanishads, the Kshatriyas were among the most enlightened persons. Even in the Rig Veda you find many Rishis, who were either Kshatriyas or belonged to the family of Kshatriyas were the authors of many prominent Riks.
The scholarly kings of the Upanishads were respected for their learning. And, often the Brahmans, the scholars and other seekers of knowledge came to them seeking guidance and instructions on their specialized subjects.
Please refer to my post Who was Uddalaka Aruni? – Part One ; and read from Paragraph 3- Kings.
You may find from there that when Svethaketu , a Brahman lad , was unable to explain certain principles of Adhyatma-Vidya , king Ajatashatru of Kasi consoles the boy; and , asks him not to be sad, because that has , so far, been the preserve of the Kshatriyas
– tasmād u sarveṣu lokeṣu kṣatrasyaiva praśāsanam abhūd iti (Chandogya-Upanishad: 5-3
Please also read the expositions made Ajatashatru and other kings at:
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/10/12/who-was-uddalaka-aruni-part-one/
The kings such as Ajatashatru Kasya, Pravahana Jaivali, Citra Gangyayani and Asvapathi Kaikeya were remarkably learned; and, each had developed his own theories on the nature of the individual and of the Universe.
[P: S: The latter-day gods that are worshiped Rama, Krishna et al, were Kshatriyas.]
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The changes in the religious practices, including temple-worship, Puja, rituals, observance of vows (Vratas) etc., came about over a long period of time , by interaction with various systems; by absorbing some of their concepts and practices; and, by effectively assimilating them in to ones tradition , with suitable reforms. The flow of the Indian tradition has all along been continuity with change; but, without compromising the fundamental principles.
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The other question regarding the period of the Mahabharata perhaps needs a rather lengthy explanation. I shall post the response , in that regard, separately.
Stay safe, healthy, and happy
Please keep talking
Regards
sreenivasaraos
May 18, 2020 at 4:07 am
Dear Shri Rao
No. I am not sure if Vedas, Upanishads and Brahmanas etc., would be reproduced or rewritten in each of the Eons to follow.
As per my limited understanding, Rig Veda Samhita is the oldest of the scriptures; and, that was followed by the Brahmanas, the Aranyakas and ending with the Upanishads. But, the latter class of three texts do not follow each other in a given chronological order. You find there is much overlapping among the Brahmanas and the Upanishads; and, many of the early Upanishads are closely associated with or incorporated into the Brahmanas.
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You mentioned Aitareya. The Progenitor of the Aitareya class of texts Aitareya Aranyaka and Aitareya Brahmana</em> is said to be Mahidasa Aitareya. His time is variously estimated around 800 to 1000 BCE.
Mahidasa Aitareya is revered as the earliest philosopher. And, many regard him as the Father of Indian Philosophy.
Please do read my post Who was Mahidasa Aitareyaa ; at
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/10/12/who-was-mahidasa-aitareya-part-one/
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As regards the date of the Mahabharata war ..
Much has been written and debated on the tangled issue of dating the Mahabharata. There are some who believe it is an exercise in futility; and, one would do better by focusing on its Epic content and message.
Nevertheless, generations of scholars and researchers have gone into the question deeply from various angles, such as: the list of Kings provided in the Puranas; Archaeological discoveries; Astronomical calculations; Geographical and environmental changes; water-table fluctuations and radiocarbon estimates; theories of migrations towards the West; the list of Kings of Hittites and the Mitanni in the region of Syria; and such others.
All these studies have not yielded a definite or near plausible time-frame. The estimates range from 1924 BCE to 3137 BCE. Most are inclined towards the earlier date.
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The Archaeological evidence appears to be weakest. There is nothing much to suggest linking Mahabharata war with the discoveries at Harappa- Mahengadaro. The Ochre Coloured Pottery etc., excavated from the Hastinapura region around Delhi has also not been of much avail.
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The Puranas and the list of Kings seem to suggest that the Age of Kali (Kaliyuga) started with the death of Krishna, 35 years after the War. Going by the calculations of Aryabhata (as per Aihole inscriptions) the Kali calendar began at 3102 BC. And,, therefore it is thought that the Mahabharata War took place in 3137 BC.
But, another astronomer Varahamihira assigned 2449 BCE for the Mahabharata war. It is explained; the discrepancy could have occurred because of the difference assumptions made by each regarding the Naksatras (27 or 28).
The modern astronomical studies undertaken for reconstructing the ancient skies, by use of powerful software, indicate that there was actually an approximate conjunction of the planets on Feb 17, 3102 BC as taken by Aryabhata.
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The other one is based in the ecological, environmental and geographic changes noticed around the third millennium BCE, going by the internal evidence in Mahabharata.
Here, the state of the flow and the strength of the River Sarasvathi is the key factor.
During the time of the Rig Veda, the mighty Sarasvathi was in full flow and reached up to the Ocean. Rig Veda mentions the Sarasvahti a number of times (50?). Rig-Veda describes how the mighty Sarasvathi supported inland and marine trade and travel. It is likely there was continuous flow of the river say possibly, up to even the little Rann. The Sarasvathi was a mighty river in Rig-Veda period but had gradually grown weaker by the time of Mahabharata
And, during the time of the Mahabharata war, the Sarasvathi, which was to the North of Kurukshetra, where the war took place, was almost drying up.
In the Vana-parva, the narrator Lomaharsha remarks that the Sarasvathi goes underground at Vinasana and re-emerges at Chamshodbheda
Again, in the Bhishma-parva, Sanjaya, the Suta, informs Dhritarashtra the blind king ‘as regards the sarasvathi, in some parts (of her course) she becomes visible and in some parts not so’.
Balarama, Krishna’s brother, sent on tour (or detour) during the war and visited a number of holy places. During his tour, Balarama visited Vinasana, the place where the Sarasvathi disappears in the desert. He remarked the Sarasvathi was drying up and at certain places one could wade through it (Mbh. 3.80.118; 9.36.1; 3.130.4).
The Mahabharata also states that the Sarasvathi, after having disappeared in the sands of the desert, reappears in some places; but, did not flow into the sea. (Mbh. 3.80.118).
it is therefore apparent that at the time of Mahabharata the Sarasvathi was growing weaker but she was still there , flowing rather intermittently.
A paper produced on the basis of water-table fluctuations and radiocarbon estimates states that for a full 2000 y ears (between 6000 and 4000 BCE), the Sarasvathi had flowed as a great river before it was obliterated in a short span of geological time through a combination of destructive natural events. The waning period of Vedic civilization around 3700 BCE was also the period that disrupted both the Sarasvathi and the Drishadvati.
If one accepts the theory that the Sarasvathi stopped reaching the sea in 3000 BC, then it would mean that the Mahabharata War could perhaps have taken place around 3137 BCE.
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The drying of the Sarasvathi , it is believed, led to the westward migration of the Indian warrior kings and establishment of their kingdoms of Mitanni and others (in regions of the present-day Syria) is estimated to have taken place around the early second millennium BCE.
It is accepted that The Indian kings of West Asia are descendants of Vedic people who moved West after the catastrophe that overtook the Sarasvathi.
The first Mitanni king was Sutarna I (good sun). He was followed by Baratarna I (Paratarna, great sun), Parasuksatra (ruler with axe), Saustatar (Sauksatra, son of Suksatra, the good ruler), Paratarna II, Artadama (Rtadhaman, abiding in cosmic law), Sutarna II, Tushratta (Dasaratha), and finally Matiwazza (Mativaja, whose wealth is thought) during whose lifetime the Mitanni state appears to have become a vassal to Assyria
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In a treaty between the Hittites and the Mitanni, Indian deities Mitra, Varuna, Indra, and Nasatya (Asvins) are invoked.
A text by a Mitannian named Kikkuli, the horse trainer and charioteer , uses words to indicate numerals, such as : aika (eka, one), tera (tri, three), panza (panca, five), satta (sapta, seven), na (nava, nine), vartana (vartana, round).
Another text mentions the colours as : babru (babhru, brown), parita (palita, grey), and pinkara (pingala, red).
Their chief festival was the celebration of Visuva (solstice) very much like in India.
It is not only the kings who had Sanskrit names; a large number of other Sanskrit terms have been noticed in the records rescued from the area.
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The noted scholar Subhash Kak concludes:
That leaves us with the dates of 1924 BC and 3137 BC. I don’t think we have evidence at this time to pick one of these two as the more likely one. If one gives credence to the Puranic genealogies, then 1924 BC would be the time for the War; if, on the other hand, we go by the astronomical evidence related to the Vedas and the subsequent literature, then 3137 BC remains a plausible date. ..The pre-urban core events of the Epic would fit the 3137 BC date much better than the 1924 BC.
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Please also read The Mahabharata and the Sindhu-Sarasvati Tradition by Subhash Kak
Click to access MahabharataII.pdf
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Ok. If you have read up to here, I admire your patience.
Thank you.
Have a great day
Cheers.
S R Rao
May 21, 2020 at 7:44 am
wonderful sir. Yes, I read all your replies.. when you take so much time to respond, its my bounden duty to read them. you are just too good. How did you get such a passion to read, understand and write so elaborately about our culture and philosophy? amazing, I salute your efforts. Are you living in Bangalore sir?
sreenivasaraos
May 24, 2020 at 1:59 am
Dear Shri Rao
Thank you Sir
You are most welcome
Have a Great Day
Cheers and Regards
mkarpai
June 3, 2020 at 2:35 pm
Hi, sir. Read your blog on Chitrakavya. I felt it to be very enthusing. Thank you sir.
I had a query whether vathapuranathastakam is a Chitrakavya.
How to contact you sir?
sreenivasaraos
June 4, 2020 at 6:22 am
Dear Pai
Shri Vatapuranatha Ashtakam is a beautifully composed , very sweet sounding Astakam submitted to Vatha-pura Natha (Lord of Guru-vayuru). It devotedly presents the sublime Leela of the Lord in varied manners.
This Astaka invokes or suggests a mental image (rasa-dhvani) of the Lord ; has mādhurya (sweetness); exquisite turn of phrases (pada-lalitya); and, is filled with emotional content of Bhakthi rasa
https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_vishhnu/vAtapuranAthAShTakam.html?lang=iast
and in Malayalam script
https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_vishhnu/vAtapuranAthAShTakam.html?lang=iast
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But , I am not sure it is a Chitrakavya; but , is a different class of poetry.
The Chitrakavya usually involves clever arrangement of letters to actually draw a picture/ diagram or for reading the text in reverse to produce a different meaning; or to construct a riddle; or it is meant for amusement or to entertain and challenge
[ Let me also consult someone who knows better]
Stay safe, healthy and happy
Regards
Amey Deshpande
June 6, 2020 at 5:31 am
Namaskaram Sri Sreenivasa Rao,
It has been an absolute privilege to read your blogs and more so the replies you give to all the seekers.
I would like to know if you have written a blog or series on ‘Evolution of Education in Bharat’ and/or the world itself. How has ‘education’ per se come to be?
From the verbal communication – shrutis to the written words in the form of Vedas, Vedangas, Upavedas, Itihasas, puranas, Bhashyas, Karikas, to poetry and Grammar and birth of many languages right up to the Islamic and Anglo-saxon influences over our education. Today we we find the current education a far cry from what our ancients left us with.
‘Vidya’ which was meant to illumine us has been brought to Education which gives us a means of living. ‘Adhyatma Vidya Vidyanam’ or ‘Sa Vidya Ya Vimuktaye’ has kind of fallen by the way side. How did it happen? A historical account of the same would be a fascinating read.
I would be very grateful if you could point me out certain resources in this regards.
I have tried to do my own study on the history of education.
sreenivasaraos
June 6, 2020 at 8:48 am
Dear Shri Deshpande
Thank you for the visit; and, for the appreciation
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I have not written exclusively on the system of education during the ancient times.
But, I have referred to the subject in the form of Notes at several places.
For instance:
(1) Education of girl-child during the times of Rig Veda
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/04/rig-veda-position-of-women-22/
(2) Education and Upanayana
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/13/who-were-the-vratyas-the-searching-wanderers/
(3) Education of Uddalaka Aruni
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/10/12/who-was-uddalaka-aruni-part-two/
(4) Education system introduced in the Buddhist Viharas by the Buddha and Jivaka, the physician
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/01/jivaka-the-physician/
(5) Rishis of the Rig Veda and oral traditions
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/04/rishis-of-the-rig-veda-and-oral-traditions-of-the-vedas/
(6) Oral traditions
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/13/oral-traditions/
In all these cases, please also check under ‘Sources and References’
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I would also suggest you to read diligently the classic work ‘The Education in Ancient India’ by Dr. A. S . Altekar, who was the Head of the Department of Ancient Indian History and Culture, at the Benares University. I think, this book should help you much.
Please click here for the link
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As regards the evolution of Vedic texts, please check the link given under for a broad outline
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/10/12/who-was-uddalaka-aruni-part-one/
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You mentioned about Kavya (Poetry) , Grammar (Vyakarana)
I have written much about these under Indian poetics; Artha –meaning; and Vyakarana.
You may read the series starting with the links given under:
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2015/07/09/kavya-and-indian-poetics-part-one/
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2016/11/12/the-meaning-of-meaning-part-one/
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2019/12/31/yaska-and-panini-part-one/
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Similarly you may check for Bhashyas, Karakas etc.
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I am aware , these are too many (But, you asked for it ..!!)
Take your time
Wish you Good luck
Stay safe, healthy and happy
Please keep in touch
Cheers and Regards
Paresh Devani
June 6, 2020 at 5:32 pm
Namaskaram Sreenivasa Rao ji I am hoping you can help me regarding Śukāṣṭhakam, which I have managed to download the Sanskrit text of from sanskritdocuments.org I am starting a short course on this text, and would really appreciate some information on where I can get an English translation, in case you know. SincerelyDr Paresh Devani
sreenivasaraos
June 7, 2020 at 3:56 am
Dear Shri Devani
The Shukashtakam, having eight verses, is a philosophical song of the Advaita School.
The text of the Shukashtakam is available at
https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_z_misc_general/shukAShTakam.html?lang=iast
For its PDF version, please click here.
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As you can see there from, the Hindi translation of each verse is also provided therein. In case you are familiar with the Hindi language; and, can read it,you may not have much difficulty.
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Since you asked for an English translation; here is a ROUGH translation.
You may perhaps have to hone it further
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For one whose doubts of all sorts are cleared by realizing that Principle which is beyond the limitations of the word, and is devoid of the three Gunas; in whom all shades of discrimination at once vanished; whose virtues and sins are destroyed; in whom Maya the illusions and attachments have decayed; who has adopted the approach that is devoid of all three Gunas. For such a person what rule or what prohibitions could there be? He is not bound by the restrictions of any rules and proscriptions.
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For one who sees what is located within and outside all the bodies; who realizes his true identity with the essential principle that resides in all this existence; for such a person there is nothing other than that divine cause. For such a one who contemplates along the lines freed from the limitations of all the three Gunas, what rule or what prohibitions could there be? He is beyond both.
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Just as a thing made of gold continues to be in the nature of gold even after it is burnt in fire; just as milk when mixed with milk continues be milk; just as water when combined with water continues to be water ; in a similar manner all beings and organisms are one with that Brahman. For one who contemplates along the lines freed from the limitations of all the three Gunas, what rule or what prohibitions could there be? He is beyond both.
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As the sea is saline, the salt too is saline; therefore, the brackishness is common to both the sea and the salt; and, salt could be termed as another form of sea. In a similar manner, all the elements of earth, water, air, fire and sky, as also all the organisms are one with the Brahman, in whom they reside. For one who contemplates along the lines freed from the limitations of all the three Gunas, what rule or what prohibitions could there be? He is beyond all limitations
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Just as the river merges into to the sea; acquires its nature; and, becomes one with the sea; similarly, the life (Jiva) that resides in the body is essentially of the nature of Brahman. And, by being one with that all pervading, attribute-less entity, the individual (jiva) is none other than that Sat-chit-ananda Brahman. For one who contemplates along the lines freed from the limitations of all the three Gunas, what rule or what prohibitions could there be? He is beyond all limitations.
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For one who has attained the self-luminous supreme state of self-realization; and, has recognized the essential unity of the soul within one’s body with all that is outside of it ; and, for one whose thoughts are freed from the limitations of all the three Gunas, what rule or what prohibitions could there be? He is beyond all limitations.
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For one whose actions or non-actions are not colored by the subjective notions of ‘I’; just as a piece of cloth that is fully burnt, the liberated one has burnt away all attachments to the mundane physical world and has attained liberation from the earthly coils. Even while embodied (residing within the body) , he is virtually body-less. For such a one whose thoughts are freed from the limitations of all the three Gunas, what rule or what prohibitions could there be? He is beyond all limitations.
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Who am I? Why I am? Who are you? What is this world around us? One who is of the essential nature of Brahman; freed from all types of distinctions; filled with the universal element of joy, is like the open sky without a distinction of within and outside. For such a one whose thoughts are freed from the limitations of all the three Gunas, what rule or what prohibitions could there be? He is beyond all limitations.
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Stay safe, healthy and happy
Cheers and Regards
Dr Paresh Devani
June 7, 2020 at 5:05 am
Namaskaram Sri Shreenivas Rao ji
Thank you so much for your prompt and erudite reply to my somewhat obscure query regarding Śukāṣṭhakam.
I cannot even quite express my deep gratitude to you for this very helpful translation that you have taken the trouble to send – thank you sincerely!
With much appreciation
Paresh Devani
sreenivasaraos
June 7, 2020 at 5:10 am
You are most welcome
Cheers
Paresh Devani
June 7, 2020 at 5:09 am
Namaskaram Sri Shreenivas Rao ji
Thank you so much for your prompt and erudite reply to my somewhat obscure query regarding Śukāṣṭhakam. I cannot even quite express my deep gratitude to you for this very helpful translation that you have taken the trouble to send – thank you sincerely!
With much appreciation
Paresh Devani
Amey Deshpande
June 12, 2020 at 5:45 am
Namaskara Sri Sreenivasa Rao,
Thank you so much for these indicators. I have been reading your blogs avidly. Its indeed an enriching experience.
I shall surely go through these links that you have provided and even the book that you have mentioned.
I have been reading the following series of books
1. The cultural heritage of India by Ramakrishna Mission’s Institute of Culture
2. History of Indian Philosophy by Surendranath Dasgupta
I find that usually the history tends to start with Vedic Era. But what about the pre vedic era? That is my conundrum.
But once again thank you so much for your knowledge and more so your penchant for sharing and supporting / guiding all of us co-travellers.
Stay blessed and stay safe.
Warm Loving Regards
Amey Deshpande
Prasanthi Nilayam.
sreenivasaraos
June 12, 2020 at 6:51 am
That is Good
You are doing great
If you are serious about this
Try if you can get
The Encyclopedia of Indian Philosophies
Published by Motilal and Banarsi Das
It is a series of volumes
covering all branches of Indian Philosophies
Please check the links here
Better still , you may initially try out the PDF versions and archive.org
This is also a very useful site . Take a look here
Cheers
sreenivasaraos
June 15, 2020 at 2:26 am
Please also see
Who were the Vratyas – the searching wanderers?
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/13/who-were-the-vratyas-the-searching-wanderers/
mkarpai
June 6, 2020 at 7:50 pm
Thank you for your prompt reply sir. I went through few online materials on Chitrakavya. The slokas of the Vatapuranatastaka can be drawn this way. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NWvuIlYgvGi0Z0HnNDG5WukGcd4NoB7P/view?usp=sharing
I am not sure whether I am right, also don’t know whom to ask for details. Thank u again sir.
sreenivasaraos
June 7, 2020 at 6:49 am
Dear mkarpai
Wow.. that was great
You are amazing
What you have done looks quite plausible
I am sorry , I was not of much help to you
Please pardon me.
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I can think of Śatāvadhānī Dr. R. Ganesh
his website is http://padyapaana.com/
Contact –: rkekkar@gmail.com, karantha@gmail.com
Try sending him the text of the Vathapuranatha Astakam
https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_vishhnu/vAtapuranAthAShTakam.html?lang=iast
and the sketch you have made
Lets see
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Sorry
Please keep in touch
Cheers
nanda shenioy
June 7, 2020 at 5:29 pm
Dear Srinivasa Mahodayayah,
Can you throw some light on Mahopadhyaya Ganapati Shastrigal who wrote this vatapurnathastakam
sreenivasaraos
June 8, 2020 at 3:51 am
Dear Nanda
Please check here for Part Eight of Mahamahopadyaya Ganapathi Sastrigals biography
https://thapas.wordpress.com/2018/09/21/life-history-of-mahamahopadhyaya-sri-painganadu-ganapati-sastri-part-8/
While listing the works of Sri Sastrigal at (49) Sri Vadapura Natashakshtam, is mentioned
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For the detailed
LIFE HISTORY OF MAHAMAHOPADHYAYA SRI PAINGANADU GANAPATI SASTRI – in eight parts
please follow the links provided therein
There is also an option for English translation.
Try this link. Hope it works
https://thapas.wordpress.com/2018/09/21/life-history-of-mahamahopadhyaya-sri-painganadu-ganapati-sastri-part-6/
https://thapas.wordpress.com/2018/09/21/life-history-of-mahamahopadhyaya-sri-painganadu-ganapati-sastri-part-4/
https://thapas.wordpress.com/2018/09/21/life-history-of-mahamahopadhyaya-sri-painganadu-ganapati-sastri-part-8/
Cheers
sreenivasaraos
June 7, 2020 at 7:04 am
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S Ramanan Rao
June 8, 2020 at 8:29 am
Dear Sir.
Pranams and hope you are doing well.
Kindly enlighten about the 6 other worlds other than Bhu.. (bhuva – Satyam).. have you addressed this before? Is there any text available? Please do share.Thanks
sreenivasaraos
June 8, 2020 at 10:55 am
Dear Shri Ramanan Rao
I presume you are referring to the Seven Vyahrti-s .
In that case , please read the article relating to Sri Gayatri , at
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/10/07/sri-gayatri-part-two/
and , let me know
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I suggest you read the first part as well , to put the issue in its perspective
Cheers and Regards
mkarpai
June 8, 2020 at 9:53 am
Thank you Sir
anupam_p
June 9, 2020 at 9:40 am
Hello Mr. Srinivas, I’ve stumbled upin your blog a few days ago and since than found it an an invaluable repository of very well-written essays.
I have recently become interested in Indian Art and Ancient Indian Philosophy an knowledge systems and was searching for a place to start, your blog seems the perfect spot.
Also, could you please recommend some books on the aforementioned subjects in Hindi/English (as I don’t know Sanskrit) for a 20y/o who has yet only read some essays by A. Coommaraswamy and B.K. Matilal (currently reading Essence Of Indian Art by B.N. Goswamy).
Thank You.
sreenivasaraos
June 9, 2020 at 4:19 pm
Dear Anupam
You are most welcome. And, I am happy , learning about interests.
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You mentioned -‘Indian Art and Ancient Indian Philosophy and knowledge systems ‘ –
This indeed is a vast field branching out into many areas of study .
There are literally hundreds of books on each of the those subjects, written over the past couple of centuries.
It might be difficult to name/recommend just a couple of books covering these diverse subjects.
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I would rather suggest, you may please follow the the books/ web-pages cited in the body of the articles that you read ; and , also check on the texts etc., listed under ‘Sources and References’
As you proceed along , you would be able to mark out your choices and preferences.
That might help you to build up your own body of references.
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I am sorry , I have not been of much help.
Please let me know if I can be any assistance.
Stay safe, healthy and happy
Cheers and Regards
anupam_p
June 10, 2020 at 11:09 am
Thank you, Mr. Srinivas for yoyr advice.I also thought about following the ‘Sources and References’ and it seems to help.
Also, could yoy recommend some books or essay anthologies/collections on Indian Painting, especially Pahari and Miniature painting.
Thank you.
anupam_p
June 10, 2020 at 2:09 pm
Dear Sir, I’ve histcame across your writings on Ancient Indian Painting and Chitrasutra. They seem to clear most of my doubts.
Thank You!
S Ramanan Rao
June 9, 2020 at 12:10 pm
Dear Sir, Pranams. Thanks, I have read your detailed work on Gayathri and related. wonderful and it’s very useful for intensifying the Japa. Also, it was surprising to know the Turiya Gayathri which you mentioned was unheard of. Could you please share the Sanskrit version of the text, is it available online? My question is.. is there life in other worlds? please throw light on the same.
Btw, the seven worlds downwards, the Atala to Paatala, you haven’t mentioned Mahatala. Is there any reason?.
Hari om, and it is important to mention that you reply to all the questions with lots of concern. I am touched. God bless you sir. Namaste
S Ramanan Rao
June 9, 2020 at 12:20 pm
Sir, Namaste. Also kindly share some insights on Avatars (other than Vishnu), the Dattatreya’s lineage, Amsa Avatars of Shiva.. when you get time. Thanks in advance.
sreenivasaraos
June 9, 2020 at 4:29 pm
Dear Shri Rao
(1) Thank you for pointing it out. I have since corrected the list
(2) No Sir. I have not written much about the subjects you mentioned
and
(3) The Turiya-pada of the Gayatri is cited in the article itself
Thank you
Regards
S Ramanan Rao
June 10, 2020 at 6:37 am
Thanks sir. Namaste.
anupam_p
June 10, 2020 at 2:10 pm
just came*
sreenivasaraos
June 10, 2020 at 2:52 pm
Dear Anupam
Please also see Ritu Varnana and Barahmasa
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/20/ritu-varnana-and-barahmasa/
Sharad Ritu – season of tender beauty, grace and celebrations
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/09/20/sharad-ritu-season-of-tender-beauty-grace-and-celebrations-2/
Shishira Rtu
https://sreenivasaraos.com/2014/01/31/shishira-rtu/
These also talk about seasons, paintings ,and music
Cheers
anupam_p
June 12, 2020 at 7:52 pm
Thank You, Sir.
sreenivasaraos
June 11, 2020 at 6:23 am
please check here for more raga-mala paintings
anupam_p
June 12, 2020 at 7:53 pm
Thank You very much Mr. Srinivas.
Umakant Nadkar
June 13, 2020 at 10:09 am
Dear sir,
I need to contact you for more details. How can I reach you?
Regards,
Umakant
sreenivasaraos
June 13, 2020 at 3:23 pm
Dear Umakant
If you can please frame specific questions
and, post them here
I shall try to answer to the extent I know
Thank you
Umakant Nadkar
June 22, 2020 at 6:35 am
Sir, I am working to gather a group of like-minded people who can work together for creating awareness of the Vedas and the history of the Vedic age. Need your guidance.
Ramana
July 7, 2020 at 5:45 pm
Dear Sir,
Excellent blog. I have question. Why is it that there are no Shiva prathimas (except as Kshetrapalakas) in many Vishnu temples in the south?
Could you please let know.
Thanks
Ramana
sreenivasaraos
July 9, 2020 at 6:52 am
Well . the answer is in your question
These are not temple-complexes
Each temple is devoted , designed and structured for a particular deity,
taking into account her/his virtues, disposition and the accompanying parivara-devathas.
A temple is made for a deity; and,it is not the other way
Cheers and Regards
Bala Parasuraman
July 14, 2020 at 3:12 pm
Dear Sir,
Sairam. I had posted a question a while back and look forward to getting your inputs. Thanks for your help in advance.
Regards,
Bala
sreenivasaraos
July 15, 2020 at 4:12 pm
Dear Bala
Please pardon me
I had lost sight of your question
The last couple weeks have been disorderly
Mo normal life
I
.
As regards, Guptavati I have used the Sanskrit text and some writings made by others.
I have not come across its English translation
Sorry
I will try to look around, let you know
Pardon me again
Regards
Bala Parasuraman
July 15, 2020 at 5:30 pm
Dear Sir,
Please don’t apologize. Thanks for getting back to me. If you are able to get the English translation, please let me know. Thanks again.
Regards,
Bala