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The bizarre story of Madhavi of the ancient times

10 Oct

This is a story of ancient times that appears in Udyoga Parva (sections 119-122) of Mahabharata. It is a story that is uncoiled in four stages. Initially, Narada narrated it to Dhritarastra, which Vyasa recorded; Vaishampayana narrates that to Janamejaya; and finally Suti recites the entire epic. Narada’s narration comes about as an extension to his own story of fall owing to his conceit and arrogance. It is incidental; and not integrated into the Epic. It is not supported by any other narration in the Epic. The story raises many uncomfortable questions about the status and treatment of women in a society of a bygone era, which was guided by its own set of values. The fascinating but disturbing episode has been studied, in depth, by scholars, feminists and dramatists from sociological, psychological and various other angles.

Mahabharata (in contrast to Ramayana) is a composition spread over varied periods; and, its elements are derived from diverse parts of the ancient Indian land. It also is not entirely the work of a single person. It has grown in stages across many traditions. Like the Indian jungle, it spreads out in an endless wilderness of trees entwined with creepers of bewildering sorts, inhabited by an astonishing variety of creatures, birds and beasts. It is a wonder piled upon wonders. There are several contradictions arrayed one by the side of the other. Mahabharata is not one book; but, it is many books running into each other.

With that , let’s, first, look at the story in its brief and summarized form; and then discuss some of the issues it throws up.

The story

1.1. It is said that Galava was a very devoted pupil of the sage – King- teacher Visvamitra. He stayed and served loyally even when his teacher was passing through difficult circumstances. At the end of the academic period the teacher, pleased with the pupil, blessed him and let him go. But Galava requested the teacher to state the fee (guru- dakshina) that he would accept. The teacher was content; but the pupil pressed on earnestly. Finally, with a little displeasure as it were, Visvamitra asked Galava ‘present me with eight hundred white steeds of good pedigree; white as the rays of the radiant moon, and every one of it having one ear black in hue. Go Galava, delay not ’.

Ektaha shamkarna hayana chandravarchasam, Ashto shatani me dehi gaccha Galav ma Chiram- (Udog, 106;27)

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1.2. Galava promptly sets out in search of such rare type of horses but was unable to find any. While he was brooding in desperation, his friend Suparna offered help; and took him to many kings who might possibly possess horses of such rare description. After much wandering, the two reached the court of King Yayati of Prathistana. Suparna, on behalf of his friend, submitted the plea and requested the king to help Galava be free from the burden of Guru-dakshina.

But, the King Yayati, whose wealth by then had depleted, had no horses that satisfied their specification. Nevertheless, he, as a king, would not disappoint a needy one who came seeking help. Therefore, he gifted, instead, his beautiful daughter Madhavi (also called Drsadvati); and suggested that by setting her as price they could secure from any king/s who owned the horses of their requirement. Yayati added, that Madhavi was capable of promoting every virtue; and her beauty was so striking that any king would gladly give up his kingdom, if it were needed, to be with her even for a short while.

Asthaha shulkam pradasyanti nripa rajyamapi dhruvam- (Udog, 113; 13)

Now, that there appeared a ray of hope, Suparna wished his friend well and took leave of him.

2.1. Galava first thought of the best of the kings, Haryasva of Ikshvaku race who ruled at Ayodhya. He was famed for his valour, wealth and large army. Galava offered Madhavi in marriage to the childless king Haryasva in exchange for ‘eight hundred steeds’ born in good country, of lunar whiteness, and each with one ear black in hue’, saying ‘this auspicious and large eyed maiden will become mother of thy sons’. The king is struck with the beauty of Madhavi  (Kamamohita).  He observes  that the six parts of this girl’s body which ought to be high are high, seven parts which ought to be slender are slender, three parts which ought to be deep are deep and five which ought to be red are red.  Upon her resides every auspicious  sign. 

Haryasva cried out “I most desire to have this beautiful maiden; but, sadly I have only two hundred steeds of the kind you wanted. He pleads with Galava – Kamam sampadyatu varam (Udyog; 116; 09) – Let me fulfil my desire.  I beg you; allow me to beget one son upon this damsel and you make take away all those two hundred steeds”.

2.2. Madhavi intervened and suggested to Galava “I am blessed by a sage with a special faculty that each time after childbirth I will regain my virginity. Accept the offer made by King Haryasva; take his two hundred excellent steeds and let him beget one son upon me. Thereafter you may collect me and take me to the next king and to another, in similar manner, until you obtain all your eight hundred steeds. And, that should set you free from the debt you owe to your teacher”.

This idea seemed a workable arrangement; and was acceptable both to Galava and the King. Galava became the owner of those two hundred steeds; but he let them continue in king’s care. In due time, Haryasva had a son by Madhavi. She thereafter, by the power of her wish, turned into a virgin again. The new born was as splendid as one of the Vasus; and was named Vasumanasa (also called Vasuprada). He later grew up to be one of the wealthiest and greatest of the benefactors among all the kings.

2.3. Galava next took Madhavi to Divodasa King of Kashi who had already heard of Madhavi’s extraordinary beauty as also of her story. He rejoiced greatly upon the fortune to be with her. But, he too had only two hundred such steeds that Galava required. He agreed to beget only one a son from Madhavi in exchange for those two hundred steeds. Madhavi lived with Divodasa till a son was born to her. He was named Pratardana who later became a celebrated hero. Madhavi having regained her virginity left her second son with his father and returned to Galava.

2.4. The next was, King Ushinara of Bhojanagari who also had only two hundred of such horses. He handed then over to Galava and lived with Madhavi till a son named Sibi was born (he later gained renown as the upholder of truth and justice). Madhavi turned a virgin once again.

2.5. Thereafter Galava collected Madhavi back from King Ushinara. But, he had so far gathered only six hundred horses, and still needed two hundred more to fulfil the commitment to his teacher. Then, his friend Suparna (Garuda) informs there were no more such horses; but makes a suggestion. As suggested by Suparna, Galava submits to his teacher the six hundred horses he had so far gathered, with a request to accept Madhavi in place of the remaining two hundred horses; and absolve him of the Guru-dakshina.

Visvamitra elated at the prospect of having Madhavi, accepts the offer gleefully  and discharges the pupil of his obligation –Kimiyam purmedeh na data mam Galav” (Udog, 119;16)

Madhavi bore to Visvamitra a son named Ashtaka (who later gained fame as the king who performed grand Ashva-medha yajnas).

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3.1. With his debt discharged, Galava retires into the forest. As he departs, he thanks Madhavi for saving him, as also her father and the three childless kings: ” Oh Madhavi, the beautiful maiden, You have borne one son who will be a lordly giver, a second a hero, another fond of truth and right; and yet another a great performer of Yajnas. Farewell to you, virgin of slim waist”.

After sometime, Visvamitra retreats into the forest. He hands over the six hundred horses to his son Ashtaka and sends Madhavi back to her father Yayati.

Yayati tries to arrange for Madhavi’s wedding, as many suitors (including the three kings who had sons from her) were eager to marry her. But, Madhavi is no longer interested in marriage or childbearing. She refuses all offers and retires into the forest as a hermit.

3.2. The recurring virgin Madhavi is not sovereign herself; but sovereignty passes through her to her four sons who grow up to become great kings whose deeds are celebrated in the Puranas.

In the end, everyone except Madhavi had something to gain: Yayati had the satisfaction of helping a needy person; the three childless kings beget worthy sons and heirs; Visvamitra gained six hundred of rarest horses as also the pleasure of living with the beautiful Madhavi; and Galava extolled for his guru-bhakthi was relieved of the obligation to his teacher.

Madhavi’s salvation lies in her silence and her retreat into the woods. She prefers to select forest as her consort – Varam Vrivati Vanam (Udog, 120;5). Madhavi entered the forest, lived a peaceful life of a celibate –  ‘living in the woods after the manner of the deer ’ Vipulam dharma brahmcharyan sanvritam (Udog, 120; 11)

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Question of antiquity

4.1. Though the story of the ‘salvation of the kings by a maiden’ is re-told in Mahabharata, its principle characters come from the distant Pre-Vedic or early Vedic times. Yayati, the son of the legendry King Nahusha, is a prominent figure in the early Indian mythological history. He is progenitor of a great dynasty Chandravamsa – that ruled for countless generations stretching up to the Pandavas and far beyond.

 Please click here for the family tree of  the Yadus and the Purus – the descendents of Yayati . 

4.2. Yayati marks a watershed in the ancient Indian history. He is credited with bringing together two rival factions of the Angirasas and the Brighus. Yayati, a follower of the Angirasa, married Devayani the daughter of Shukrachaya of the Bhrigu clan; and also married Sharmishta the daughter of Vrisha Parvan, the King of Asuras, who also was a follower of the Bhrigus.

4.3. Turvasha and Yadu were sons of Yayati by Devayani of the Bhrigus; while Anu, Druhyu and Puru were his sons by Sharmishta of the Asuras. Yayati’s story indicates that the five great lines of Vedic rulers were born of an alliance of Deva and Asura kings, which also meant the coming together of the followers of the Angirasa and the Bhrigu seers. Yayti’s marriage with the Bhrigu women was perhaps an attempt to reconcile two warring clans.

Yayati divided his kingdom among his five sons: to Tuvasha he gave the south-east; to Druhyu the west; to Yadu the south and west in the Narmada – Godavari region; to Anu the north; and to Puru the centre . Purus ruled as the Supreme Kings of earth.

The ‘Battle of Ten Kings’ (Dasarajna) described in the seventh Mandala of the Rig Veda was fought between the Puru clan and the Turvasha/Druhyu/Anu clans. The Kings involved in the Battle: Puru, Turvasha, Druhyu and Anu were all sons of Yayati.

4.4. The episode of ‘the eight hundred horses’ which we are now discussing mentions the hitherto un-named daughter of Yayati – Madhavi (but, her mother’s name is not mentioned).

Further, the Sukta No. 179  having three verses in  the Tenth Mandala of Rig Veda invoking Indra, is jointly ascribed to the three sons of Madhavi: the first is Sibi the son of Ushinara (prathamo ushinarah Sibihi –  शिबिरौशीनरः ); the second Pratardana King of Kashi (dwithiyo kasirajah Pratardanaha- प्रतर्दनः काशिराजः); and, the third Vasumanasa son of Rauhidasva (thrithiyasha Rauhidashwo Vasumana rishihi – वसुमना रौहिदश्वः) . In this Sukta, Haryasva   is named as Rauhidasva.

Mantra Rig 10.179.001 ;  Mantra Rig 10.179.002  ;  Mantra Rig 10.179.003 ]

Madhavi’s story surfaces in Mahabharata. But she belongs to the very far-away pre-Vedic period. That is the reason I regard her story as of very ancient times.

5.1. As regards Visvamitra, there were many kings and sages who went by that name. Visvamitra who appears in the Madhavi-story may not be the same as the one who figures in the third Mandala of Rig Veda who envisioned the celebrated Gayatri Mantra; or the Visvamitra of Aitareya Brahmana, the adopted father of Sunashepa; or the father of Shakuntala; or even the quick-tempered sage in the Harischandra story.

5.2. This Visvamitra of Kanyakubja in the Madhavi-story may not also be the Visvamitra of Ramayana epic. Because, in the linage of kings ( according to Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Puranas ; Vol 1 to Vol 5 by Swami Parameshwarananada ; page 187) Rama , son of Dasaratha comes almost fifty generations after Haryasva the King of Ayodhya , the father of  Vasumanasa . Some names of the kings have either gone missing or are unclear.

[ Haryasva – Vasumanasa – Sudhanva – Tridhanva (Tirvashana ) – Satyavrata (Trisanku) – Harischandra – Rohitasva – Harita – Chanchu – Sudeva – Bharuka – Bahuka – Sagara – Asamanjasa – Amsuman – Bhagiratha – Srutanabha – Vedhasa – Para – Nabhaga – Ambarisha – Sindhudweepa – Ayutayus – Rtuparna – Sarvakama – Sudasa – Mitrasakha (Kalmasapada ) – Asmaka – Mulaka – Khatvariga – Dilipa (Dlrghabariu) – Raghu – Aja – Dasaratha – Rama ].

Please also see the chart at the bottom of this blog.

You may click here for its complete and enlarged version for tracing the line of kings from Manu to Ikshvaku to   Mahabharata

Question of feminism

6.1. The Madhavi episode is roundly criticized in the recent times as being insensitive to a woman’s feelings, depriving her of any inner space or desire, and wiping out her very individuality as a person. She is robbed of any control over her life. Horses, it appeared, were valued more than women. And women were given away to get hold of good horses, which is shocking.    Madhavi is led just as a cow from one male to the other, traded for horses, impregnated and each time leaving behind her newborn. At the end, she is neither a wife nor a mother – despite having lived with four men and delivering to four boys.

That is a valid view, up to a point.

7.1. There is also an alternate view which is based in a field of study called Hermeneutics. It speaks of understanding a text by placing it in the context of its times and the society in which it was located; appreciating the cultural and social forces that might have influenced its outlook. Which is to say: before we impose our own set of perceptions or apply our the present-day standards of the rights and privileges accorded to women in our society, in order to judge Madhavi, lets pause and place her story in the context of her times and the norms that were evolved and accepted by that society in the environment of its own life patterns.

7.2. There is nothing lewd about the episode, by the manner it is depicted in the Epic. Everyone here is earnest, attempting to live honestly with a pious intent: Galava to fulfil his obligation to his teacher; Yayati to discharge his duty as the King   providing for the needy who comes to him seeking help; and, Madhavi considers her   filial duty to save her father from disgrace; and in the process   to assist a dedicated student to fulfil his promise to his teacher, and to rescue of royal lines from dynastic extinction. And, she herself, in all her earnestness, suggests the arrangement of her exchange for horses.

7.3. The kings who figure in her life did not consider their relation with Madhavi as scandalous. The society in which she lived treated her with great respect. Her sons who were aware of their birth antecedents proudly called themselves the sons of Madhavi. The fact that they were the sons of the common wife of four kings did not prevent them from succeeding to thrones of their fathers. In fact, Sibi and Ashtaka were made kings by preference over the sons of their fathers’ individual wives

7.4. When her sons met her again after they had grown into fine young men, they greeted their mother with great reverence: “those monarchs saluted her and bowed down to her ‘O the abode of asceticism, instruct us all thy sons, what command of yours shall we obey’ ”. At her command they help their grandfather Yayati ascend to heaven again:

“It was thus that those daughter’s sons born in four royal lines, those multipliers of their races, by means of their virtues, sacrifices, and gifts, caused their maternal grandfather to ascend again to heaven. And those monarchs jointly said, ‘Endued with the attributes of royalty and possessed of every virtue, we are, O king, thy daughter’s sons! By virtue of our good deeds, ascend thou to heaven. ” (Mbh:  Udyoga Parva; section 122)

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7.5. Madhavi’s character, as I see it, is invested with a certain air of dignity. She had been true to her independent nature, fulfilling her womanhood in a manner she found appropriate in the given circumstances. Her unsullied and detached attitude to her unique encounters with four men perhaps defines her ‘virgin’ status. At the end of the episode she exercises her choice without disgust, rancor or regret; and retires into the woods.

8.1. The social ethos, the concept of marriage, the status and the treatment of women reflected in the Madhavi-story belong to those very ancient pre-Vedic times (perhaps older than 2,500 BC).They pre-date the Mahabharata – event period by several centuries. The society did not remain static during those centuries. It went through a prolonged process of evolution. The Rig Veda period that followed Madhavi’s time marked a watershed; and its society was in transformation. Further, the Mahabharata-society was far different from the Vedic society. The values, norms and idioms of social conduct changed not merely during those centuries but also during the course of the Mahabharata story. You find in the Epic, each stage evolving into its next phase. That is the reason the social values as reflected in early parts of the Epic are far different from those at its end-parts. Which in turn, were indeed much different from the customs that came into vogue at later times. Those differences should not be seen as contradictions or aberrations, but be understood as marking changes in the evolution or the flow of the Indian society. It is interesting, how the perceptions and values change in a society over long periods. They are usually born out of interactions between responses and challenges or demands of the times

On certain issues, the Pre-Vedic and Vedic women enjoyed a kind of liberty and social approval which was not available to the subsequent generations of women. And, some of the liberties of the Madhavi-period are not available to the present-day Indian women.

8.2. Generally, Mahabharata depicts a steady degradation or degeneration of what was once a cohesive society that cherished liberal values. The society in the early period of Mahabharata was more open than our present day society. But, as the Epic stepped into its later generations, the views and values got rigid. That downward trend, sadly, continued for long centuries (we shall come back to this theme later).

Question of recurring virginity

9.1. Madhavi mentions that she is gifted with a boon by virtue of which she will regain her virginity each time after she gives birth to a child (kanyaiva tvam bhavishyasi : Mbh.5.16.11).Such wondrous instances of  women retaining or regaining  their maidenhood are found elsewhere in Mahabharata. Satyavathi cajoled Sage Parashara into promising “when you have done me this favour you shall become a maiden again (garbham utsrijya mamakam . . . kanyaiva tvam bhavishyasi; Mbh: 1.105.13)”. She again (punar) became a virgin after giving birth to Vyasa. Kunti also became a maid each time after delivering to a son (punar eva tu kanyabhavam; Mbh: 15. 30.16). Both Satyavathi and Kunti gained that unique faculty through boons conferred on them by the sages.

9.2. Draupadi too, despite having five husbands and bearing five sons, is regarded as a knaya – a maid or a virgin- emerging chaste like polestar after each encounter : ’ the lovely one with glorious waist , the very mighty one , at the end of each day shall become a maid again’(Mbh: 1.197.14) . Kunti describes Draupadi to Krishna as sarva-dharmopa-carinam (the one who promotes or cultivates all virtues), in the very term used by Yayati to describe Madhavi while gifting her to Galava.

10.1. Obviously, virginity was regarded very precious in the Epics .Only a few virtuous women were blessed with the faculty of retaining or regaining maidenhood. Similar notions of valuing virgin –status exist in other religions too. For instance; virginity is a recurring theme in the Bible which looks upon the mother of Jesus as a virgin. In Judaism there is much discussion about the virgins in the temples. And, Islam too believes that a man who enters paradise will be received by 72 virgins. The Shakta –Tantra cult worships virgin as a complete person who has the ‘whole potential of the total-human being’ (combination of Shiva and Shakthi); and, as the untapped source of life-energy, the ‘holding back of the potential procreative power’.

10.2. The treatment of virginity in the older texts is again a much contested issue. Many have argued that such notions of continued or restored maidenhood were evidently moral or legal fictions invented, at a later period, merely to disguise the murky cases of promiscuity, free license or strange relations that were neither rape nor adultery. Or, at best, it might have been a self-deceiving, make-believe reflexes or opinions, reluctant to accept the stark fact.

10.3. The classic view of the scholars, however, converged on the understanding that virginity in those contexts does not refer to the state of their bodies but to the state of their being. It was said; virginity here does not refer to the physical condition but to the unsullied mind and attitude of those remarkable women. It is a state distinguished by purity, detachment and independence.

It is explained; when these women in Mahabharata, who knew more than one man and bore children, were respected by the ancients as kanyas, that was meant to suggest  they were psychologically pure and untainted. Those women learnt to sublimate their ego. And yet, they were independent women enjoying an identity of their own. Therefore, the status of Kanya also referred to the way they fiercely asserted their independence. Each one of those does whatever had to be done out of a sense of duty; and she is true to herself and to her nature. Each one’s life was authentic.

10.4. A common feature among the kanyas of Mahabharata is that they all had to endure countless difficulties. And, yet these ‘women of substance’ were not broken down by personal tragedies. Each went on to live with a certain pride around her. But, there was a sense of loneliness that surrounded them despite being placed amidst their men and offspring.

11.1. And, that is echoed by M. Esther Harding who writes in Woman’s Mysteries [Rider, 1971, p. 125- 126]

“the woman who is psychologically virgin is what she is … (she is) one-in-herself (and) does what she does not because of any desire to please, not to be liked or to be approved even by herself but because what she does is true. Her actions may, indeed, be unconventional “.

M. Esther Harding again makes a telling observation:

“He does not know the difference before love and after love, before motherhood and after motherhood…Only a woman can know that and speak of that. …She must always be as her nature is. She must always be maiden and always be mother. Before every love she is a maiden, after every love she is a mother.”

She elsewhere while talking of purity of love says “Every Mother is a virgin. She is pure in love to her child. Every child comes out of pure love”.

11.2. How well this illustrates Madhavi’s life and her experiences with men. The disinterested series of marriages and childbearing came about as a necessity. She looked upon it as her filial duty to save her father from disgrace; as assistance to an earnest student to fulfil his promise to his teacher; and as rescue of royal lines from dynastic extinction.

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Question of Motherhood

12.1. In the Epic, Draupadi had to live with five men, while Kunti had to endure momentary involvements; and the case of Madhavi lies somewhere in between the two. Madhavi had to live with four men; but, in succession, each for about nine months. The significant difference among the three was their motherhood.

12.2. Kunti treated with much respect in the Epic is projected as heroic mother who protected and guided her children on the right path. In the case of Draupadi the mother of five sons, sadly, there is not much discussion in the Epic about her motherhood. Her five sons are mere names of the boys who appear on the scene very late in the Epic, only to be slaughtered while asleep. They perhaps lived their childhood and brief adolescence in Panchala under the care of their maternal uncle and grandfather while Draupadi was in exile serving her five husbands. It is particularly sad that her husbands  could neither protect her well nor offer her the honour and respect that a woman should have as a wife and a mother. All that they succeeded was in making her a Queen.

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12.3. Madhavi could not be a wife and a mother, in true sense. She had to be a mother ‘technically’. Each tine after a childbirth, she is separated from the infant’s father; and she has also no opportunity to nurse the infant, to care for him and bring him up to manhood. The emphasis of her life seems to be elsewhere. Her detachment is not by choice; but forced upon her by circumstances.

13.1. There are instances in the Epic of women giving up their newborn, of their own freewill, as in the case of Ganga (Bhishma), Satyavati (Vyasa), Kunti (Karna) and the Apsaras: Urvashi (Ayu) and Menaka (Shakuntala).There are also instances of women who were denied motherhood because their offspring were snatched away from them. The most well-known of such tragic cases is Devaki who was forced to surrender all her newborn. It is not Devaki but Yashodha the foster mother of Krishna that is celebrated in songs and legends as the very icon of loving motherhood.  In that sense, Madhavi is closer to Devaki than to the other women of Mahabharata.

14.1. Motherhood and mothering are seen as naturally related. Bringing forth a new life, its protection and nurturing are functions that only womankind can perform. The motherhood is essential for human survival and development. Motherhood is also of profound importance in family structure; that is to say in holding a family together, in building relations within and outside of the family, and in providing stability to life . And these functions are also central to female existence; it involves her body, mind and heart. She, often, regards motherhood as the fulfilment of her life. There is, naturally, enormous reverence, devotion and gratitude to Mother and motherhood.

14.2. Paradoxically, her maternal functions, her life-giving and life-sustaining responsibilities are taken for granted and often undervalued. And, these responsibilities have tied down the woman, excluded her from authority and role in public life. Added to these are the countless taboos on women during menstruation and pregnancy.

14.3. In the case of Madhavi, Devaki and others like them, being ‘mother’ is distinct from motherhood. Some regard that as tragic, because they were deprived of an essential and a most endearing aspect of woman’s life. There are also those who see no reason to be unhappy about such situation; because they view it as the sort of liberation that the women have been searching for.

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Question of Many husbands

15.1. As said earlier, Kunti need not have to live with the gods who provided her with sons. But, Draupadi had to live with five husbands all her life. Madhavi had to live with four men; but, in succession, each for about nine months.  Draupadi’s husbands were brothers; and that helped to maintain and strengthen fraternal unity among the Pandavas. While in the case of Madhavi, her men were unconnected and unrelated, excepting that all the four were kings.

15.2. The polyandrous relations that Madhavi and Draupadi had to endure have been much discussed. These two women lived in different eras and were separated by several centuries. In the Pre- Vedic times during which Madhavi lived, polyandry might not have been unusual. But, Draupadi’s polyandry wedding/s was definitely a strange and a startling feature of the then Mahabharata society. In the long list of the Pandava- ancestors there was no instance of polyandry. Draupadi’s marriage with five brothers did not, therefore, take place in accordance with the then prevailing custom or its old tradition. But, it came about as an extraordinary and an exceptional event.  Later in the Epic, her adversaries miss no opportunity to taunt, ridicule and humiliate her for being the wife of many men.

15.3. Yudhishtira’s proposal asking for Draupadi as the wife of all the five brothers came as rude shock to Drupada, Draupadi’s father; and it almost felled him.  He cried out it in anguish:  it is such an unheard of adharma   and is totally against the normal the codes of behaviour (lokadharma viruddham). Yet, Yudhishtira attempts to clear Drupada’s bewilderment by lamely citing Vedic instances of Marisha-Varkshi (vārkī hy eā varā kanyā: a girl raised by the trees) mother of Daksha married to the ten Prachetas brothers; and of Jatila (nee Gautami) the spouse of seven sages. Drupada is now more confused because those instances were ancient and not many had heard of those. Then, sage Vyasa the   biological father of Pandu (who was the de jure father of the Pandavas) steps in and convinces Drupada. Vyasa   succeeds in his attempt, not by reason or logic, but by narrating events from Draupadi’s previous birth/s. Drupada nonplussed, gives in.

16.1. It appears that polyandry was a relic of the Pre-Vedic era that was linked to ancient Sumer (c.2900 BCE). Rig Veda period, which represents an age of transition, was an open society which fully appreciated the virtues of marriage. The marriage was sanctified with due rituals and ceremony. There is no passage in Rig Veda clearly referring to the custom of polyandry. The practice was known; but mentioned mostly with reference to certain gods. Johann Jacob Meyer in his Sexual Life in Ancient India (Barnes & Noble, inc 1953) remarks (page 108)

“As is well known the polygamy of the man in Aryan India is as old as the hills and does not form the slighted offence in the Brahmanic system, although since Vedic times, indeed, one wife is seen to be the usual, often the obvious thing. On the other hand, polyandry is utterly repugnant to Indian feelings, and in the Epic only one or two cases of it are found, and these are exclusively cases of a community of wives among brothers”.

16.2. The earliest known evidence of polyandry refers to the twins Aswins (Nasatya) who represent the pre-Vedic horsemen known for swiftness and ability to heal. Rig Veda also refers to Rodasi of dishevelled hair as Sadharani the common wife of the Maruts: ‘The Maruts cling to their young and radiant wife who belongs to them all’ (RV.1.167.4); ‘ride upon their chariot with winged steeds; the youths have set the maiden wedded to glory’ (RV.1.167.6). The Aswins and the Maruts are gods or mythical figures; and not men of the living society. Such references are inoffensive not scandalous. According to Dr. Subimal Chandra Sarkar (Some aspects of the earliest social history of India –pre Buddihistic ages; 1924) it is best understood as the relic of a gradually disused custom transformed into allegories. Dr Sarkar also observes “The practice of polyandry is generally supposed to be un-Vedic; and clear evidences are not found in the Vedic texts”. Yet, he feels such imagery of Aswins and the Maruts were evidently inspired by polyandric – traits that must have existed in the past.

Madhavi’s story has therefore to be placed in the context of pre-Vedic times.

17.1. The instances that Yudhishtira mentions, those of Jatila and Varksi are indeed very ancient; and not much is known about these women. They are very rare incidents. In Aitareya Brahmana , a post Vedic text, attached to Rig Veda , there is a distinct prohibition against a wife having more than one husband at a time (AB: 2.23) . By the time of Mahabharata, the polyandry as a cultural trait had fallen into disuse and was largely discredited. It was also not in vogue at the time of the Buddha (600 BCE). The Dharma-shastras too do not speak of polyandry. Thus, even in the earliest times of which we have evidence, polyandry had become rare and discredited. It was not considered ‘respectable’ in the Madyadesha, the heartland of Vedic and Buddhist religions.

17.2. According to Dr. Sarkar, the practice of polyandry lingered among the Tribal communities in the Western Sub-Himalaya belts and among as also among the Tibet-Burma tribes. But, it has been on steady decline; and is vanishing fast.

Question of Women

18.1. In the stories through which the Mahabharata speaks of life, women occupy a central position. It is the women who take decisions, direct the course of events and decide the fate of men and their generations to follow. The women are the true leaders of the Epic. The three women (Satyavathi, Kunti and Draupadi) in particular wielded power, in more ways than one. Mahabharata is interwoven with their remarkable sagacity in exercise of power and leadership. They knew when and how to wield power; and more importantly, when not to slam it. These women demonstrated that the truly powerful do not have to cling to the seat of power, but can still influence the course of events.

[When you come to think of it ; the tragedy of the Kauravas was that their helpless mother Gandhari was unable to exert her influence upon her wayward children.]

18.2. One of the other ways of looking at Mahabharata is to view it as a reflection of the flow of woman’s life. The narrations in the early part of the Epic indicate that the women enjoyed a greater degree of freedom, were invested with authority to take decisions on crucial matters, and were accorded much respect. We have seen how Madhavi could preserve her independence; and exercise a measure of freedom of thought and action in a manner that was unique to her times. Later, coming down to the core Epic, you find Ganga and Satyavati married on conditions they imposed and insisted upon. Satyavati the fisher-maid could upset the dynamics of the royalty. She prevailed upon her husband to ensure that only her progenies succeeded to the throne. Kunti and Madri could take their decisions independently on crucial matters. Kunti, in particular, exercised control and actively directed the lives of her sons. She could command a sort of respect and obedience that Gandhari the queen could not secure from sons.

18.3.   As the Epic steps into its middle and later stages when Kunti recedes to background and Draupadi   enters the lives of the Pandavas there is a noticeable erosion in the power and influence of women. The women in the Epic are no longer respected as they once were. The esteem of women plummeted to its nadir with the most brazen act of wagering Draupadi at a gambling game of dice, which led to   insult and humiliation of her womanhood in a public place. Thereafter, the women cease to play any significant role; they are treated rather coarsely and almost reduced to objects of pity. Draupadi as a woman and mother is dealt a most grievous and mortal blow when her sons are slaughtered while asleep alongside her.   At the end, Draupadi the prime heroine of the Epic is left to die unattended as she stumbles and falls on mountain slopes while none of her five husbands cares to stay with her or to help her.

19.1. Thus, Mahabharata depicts a steady degradation of woman’s status, erosion of her authority, and degeneration of her esteem. That worsening downward trend, sadly, continued for long centuries. Let’s talk of this in bit more detail.

19.2. When Pandu attempted to force his wife Kunti to beget children for him by soliciting a worthy stranger, she recoiled in horror and flatly refused, screaming “not even in touch will I be embraced by another”. Pandu eventually succeeded in gaining her acceptance by cajoling and reasoning with her after narrating to her the sanctioned customs of the Uttara-kuru, Northern Kurus:

“Now will I make known to thee the true essence of dharma, listen unto me the ancient dharma perceived by the lofty-minded knowers of it. In former times, as is well known, women were left unhindered (anavrita); O thou of the lovely face, going the way of their desires, in freedom they followed their own inclinations.  (Kamachara bhavanti), O sweet-smiling one, neither man nor woman knew jealousy (Irshya nasti narl- nara- naam); and, were free from fear, excessive attachment and anger.   When they, from the years of maidenhood on, did trick their husbands; that was not seen as wrong. But, that was the right thing in former times. This was the moral order laid down by the rule of conduct; it was honoured by the great Rishis through observance, and to-day is still honoured among the Uttara-kurus.

For, this is the eternal law that shows favour to women. But, sadly, the barrier of to-day was set up in our world short while ago.  Learn this now, O brightly-smiling one, from me “.

He then narrates the bizarre story of Svethakethu son of the Rishi Uddalaka; and, the circumstance that prompted Svethakethu to bring into effect the new moral order of conduct for woman and man, replacing the ancient law under which the women were unhindered (anavrita).

“Until then, women were not restricted to the house, they were not dependent on family members; they moved about freely, they enjoyed themselves freely. Until then they  were free; they could sleep with any men they liked from the age of puberty; they could be  unfaithful to their husbands, and yet were not viewed  sinful… the greatest rishis have praised the ancient  tradition-based custom;… the Northern Kurus still practice it…the new custom is very recent.” (Mbh: Adi Parva; 122.4-8)

19.3. During the Vedic ages, the women were generally not discriminated against merely on the grounds of gender. They did have their say in matters of education; marriage; re-marriage; managing the household and the property. Many women engaged in intellectual pursuits, participation in public debate; and many were teachers. There were also few instances of women on the battlefield fighting along with their men folk.

I am not suggesting that the Vedic society was a perfect one. I wonder if there ever was a perfect society. Even Plato’s idealized Utopia was not perfect. Rig Vedic society too suffered from poverty, destitution, slavery and exploitation of the weak. But, the sorrows and suffering that the women of those times had to endure in their day- to-day living were not for the mere reason they were women. The depravity, social evil and injustice do exist in all societies – modern or otherwise- just as the strong, affluent, educated, enlightened, independent and liberated women do exist in all societies. The Vedic society was as good or bad as any other society of its time; but it appeared to be a tolerant and moderately unbiased society.

20.1. What happened after the Buddhist period, particularly after 300 BCE, was a totally different story. Woman lost the high status and some of her independence she once enjoyed in society. She became a piece of property, an object to be protected.

The period after 300 B.C witnessed a succession of invasions and influx of foreigners such as the Greeks, the Scythians, the Parthian, the Kushans and others. The political misfortunes, the war atrocities followed by long spells of anarchy and lawlessness had a disastrous effect on the Indian society. Fear and insecurity haunted common people and the householders. Sons were valued higher than the daughters because of the need for more fighting males in order to survive waves of onslaughts. It was also imperative to protect women from abductors. It therefore became necessary to curtail women’s freedom and movements’; and confining them within limited spaces. Early marriage was employed as a part of those defensive measures. The education of the girl child was no longer a priority, as was her safety.

20.2. The   Dharmashastras came into prominence at the time when the orthodox society was under dire threat and when it was fighting for survival. The society had entered into an inward looking self preservation – mode. The severity of the Dharmashastras was perhaps a defensive mechanism, in response to the threats and challenges thrown at its pet social order. The Shastras compromised social values by accepting early marriage as a substitute for Upanayanam and education of girls. The neglect of education, imposing seclusion and paranoid sense of insecurity that gripped their lives had disastrous consequences upon the esteem and status of women. The society in turn sank into depravity.

The social conditions deteriorated rapidly during the medieval period.

21.1. The long centuries stretching to almost 2000 years – from 300 B.C. to 1800 A.D. –   are truly the dark ages of India. The development of woman steadily stuttered though she was affectionately nurtured by the parents, loved by the husband and cared by her children.

21.2. Now, it is the time of reawakening. Women of India are beginning to get opportunities to establish their identity and be recognized for their potential, talent and capabilities. This is a good re-beginning; though there is still a long way to go. The process must improve both in terms of its spread and quality. The ancient principles of equal opportunities for learning and development; equitable position in work-place; and the right to seek out her destiny with honor, must soon find place in all segments of the society. It might sound like asking for the moon. But, that is the only option India is left with, if it has to survive as a nation…and, if only the opportunities and freedom are utilized sensibly.

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[You may click here for its complete and enlarged version for tracing the line of kings from Manu to Ikshvaku to   Mahabharata ]

 

References and Sources

1.Some aspects of the earliest social history of India –pre Buddihistic ages (1924)   by Dr. Subimal Chandra Sarkar.

2. Sexual Life in Ancient India (Barnes & Noble, inc 1953) by Johann Jacob Meyer.

3. Polyandry in Ancient India (1988) by Dr. Sarva Daman Singh

4. A Social History of India (2009) by Brajadulal Chattopadhyaya

5.The story of Yayati’s daughter Madhavi in the Udyoga Parvam

The Mahabharata of Krishna-Dwaipayana Vyasa, Volume 3 Books 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12

6. Apropos Epic Women: East & West 

7.http://www.boloji.com/index.cfm?md=Content&sd=Articles&ArticleID=1172

ALL PICTURES ARE FROM INTERNET

 
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21 responses to “The bizarre story of Madhavi of the ancient times

  1. sreenivasaraos

    January 6, 2015 at 1:56 am

    Dear Nidhi, I presume the question relates to polyandry.

    Wow… It is not five. There were indeed countless women who were locked in polyandrous marriage. Most of those women have today remained nameless.

    Polyandry, a women married to more than husbands, was in vogue in several ancient communities, particularly in societies with scarce environmental resources. Although it has, now, almost vanished, the traces of it are still lingering in some tribes.

    It is said; polyandry was quite common in the South Asia (Tibet; Bhutan;Nepal; Himalayan regions of India; as also in certain communities in Sri Lanka, Kerala and the erstwhile Bombay Presidency which occupied much of the Western India) ; Yunnan and Sichuan regions of China; some sub-Saharan African such as the Maasai people in Kenya and northern Tanzania ; and American indigenous communities . It is said; Polyandry was practiced in Canary Islands and even in Celtic societies of Europe as women were allowed to own property and marry more than one husband.

    A lot has been written about polyandry. Just to mention a few , you may refer to : Sexual Life in Ancient India by ; Johann Jacob Meyer ; ‘Polyandry in ancient India’ by Dr. Sarva Daman Singh ; Indian Encyclopaedia, Volume 1 – edited by Dr. Subodh Kapoor ( Polyandry : Pages 5719 to 5729 ); and, Some aspects of the earliest social history of India –pre Buddihistic ages by Dr. Subimal Chandra Sarkar.

    As I mentioned; as the custom is ancient, countless women might have been in polyandrous marriages. Since you asked for names let mention a few that quickly comes to my mind.

    The scriptures mention Marisha, who married the ten Pracheta brothers; and , Jatila, who was the wife of seven sages. Aswins (Nasatya) the pre-Vedic horsemen known for swiftness and ability to heal were also said to locked in polyandry. There is also the case of Rodasi, the common wife of the Maruts- set of about 27 brothers.

    John 4:18 (King James Version) mentions a Samaritan woman who had five husbands (For thou hast had five husbands).

    There is also the case of Weetamoo (aka. Tatapanum) a Red Indian woman (Ca.1660) who lived in what is today Rhode Island (USA) is said to have had five husbands.

    In the recent times, there is of course the much publicized case of Rajo Verma who lives in a village near Dehradun, married to five brothers. She said: My mother was also married to three brothers so when I got wed I knew I had to accept all of them as my husbands.. I sleep with them in turn. We don’t have beds, just lots of blankets on the floor. I get a lot more attention and love than most wives.”

    In those ancient times, the institution of marriage comprised all its forms, including monogamy, polygamy, polyandry, group marriages and many others. The men and women who practiced it were not ashamed of their way of life. What interested those societies most were the relationships among its members, economic interests of the community, stability and order. Within that framework, those engaged in polyandry enjoyed the same status as the rest in the society.

    Cheers

    PS: There are of course plenty of instances in recent times of women who went through a series of marriages. Who can forget Elizabeth “Liz” Taylor who married eight times to seven husbands; Marilyn Monroe of three marriages; and there are plenty more. Please check
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2116890/The-women-wont-marriage-FIFTH-attempt.html

     
  2. sreenivasaraos

    March 18, 2015 at 4:43 am

    Sreenivasa
    Fabulous post and thank you so much for taking all the trouble to post such a detailed account which has been so well researched from authentic references.Fascinating story this of Madhavi and I had never heard about her. I am thankful to you for giving so much info from our distant mythological past. Made fascinating reading. I have saved it in my file and will read it over slowly to absorb all the fascinating details.This calls for serious reading and introspection and not some thing you can skim through if one has to do justice.
    Yes you have concluded very nicely and have raised a very pertinent point that women in all strata of society must increasingly be encouraged to assert their right to get proper education and be given ample opportunities and encouragement to use their immense talents in their sphere of professional activity and also most importantly be given the total freedom to seek out their destiny as per their wish and choice.This can only happen if we succeed in smashing the social taboos which sadly still exist in our society. Placing women on a high pedestal of respect and dignity will certainly will take our country to true glory !!!
    Cheers
    vijay

     
    • sreenivasaraos

      March 18, 2015 at 4:47 am

      Dear Shri Vijay, I am glad you read the post closely. Though it is called a story, it, in fact, attempts a look at the flow of woman’s over the centuries. Over the ages, the status and independence of women steadily declined under the threat of social upheavals .Now, a sort of plateau or a level playing ground is almost there ,things could improve both in extent and quality provided the opportunities and the freedom are utilized sensibly.

      Regards

       
  3. sreenivasaraos

    March 18, 2015 at 4:44 am

    “It is not my intention to question the veracity of this story. If it had happened and that is a very big if, then I am ashamed that such a situation did arise in the retelling of the Mahabharata.” Raja

    >>> Raja,

    Rest assured that such a thing never happened. And if anyone thinks it did, he / she should have his / her head examined. This story has more holes than the Swiss cheese. Btw, in terms of silliness, it ranks in the same category as another puranic story which says, “god Shiva was once dancing nude in front of sages’ wives, which sages did not like (Shiva dancing nude in front of their wives). They got angry with Shiva and cursed him, which led to his penis (phallus) getting detached and falling on the ground. Later that fallen penis of Shiva came to be known as Shiva-linga and sages started worshipping it (after having earlier cursed it and made to fall off Shiva’s crotch).”

    Lambardar

     
    • sreenivasaraos

      March 18, 2015 at 4:49 am

      Dear Shri Subash Sharma, Thank you for evincing interest in this blog. Your views, just as the other views, on this episode are valid , up to point.

      I am not sure if anyone would swear an affidavit be for a Magistrate that the episodes narrated in the Puranas and Epics did actually take place at a specified time. The fact that Scholars over a long period of time have discussed, analyzed and commented over the episode; and did not question its authenticity, is adequate for me. My intent was to trace the unfolding story of woman’s status and her freedom over the ages. Madhavi-story placed, as it is, in the Pre-Vedic era is a good place to begin with. It was a time marked by a sort of unbridled freedom that women had, and their freedom to exercise their sexual preferences. Such openness in woman’s relations was then socially accepted. Madhavi-story has to viewed, preferably, in the context of its times, its own set of values and idioms of social conduct. She was free to make her choices; and her actions had the approval of the then society. There is nothing putrid or lewd, here. Everyone was earnest in deed and intent. Those around her did not find anything as objectionable in her life.

      As regards the horses over which you vented your anger, those horses have a long mythological-history in the Epic. It is said the set of 1,000 horses that specific description were originally secured by one Ruchika form the land of Varuna ; 400 of those were lost and the remaining were held by the most affluent of the Kings of that time. In any case, it was meant to suggest that they were no ordinary horses; and only a limited number of horses that answered to the given descriptions were available.

      I do not know whether Visvamaitra of Kanyakubja who figures in the story as the Teacher was wise or otherwise; but he may not have been stupid, as you called him; and he was not a Brahmin either. He is described as the King who ruled from Kanyakubja.

      Well…many of those virtuous women who, it is said, were gifted with recurring virgin-status did not abuse it as an excuse or a license for promiscuity or reckless sex. Each one of them was a fiercely independent woman; and they did whatever had to be done out of a sense of duty. Each one’s life was authentic.

      Have a Great Navaratri

      Greetings and Warm Regards

       
  4. sreenivasaraos

    March 18, 2015 at 4:46 am

    Shree Rao
    Thank you for this very interesting story. I have nevr heard of this one. It is said that whatever story there is in the Purana should be treated symbolically and not factually for the betterment of life and society.There are meanings which are beyond our sense of comprehension. Nothing in the Puranas should be taken at face value.
    If Madhvi married again and again and delivered a child and gained back her virginity, it is her decision.She wasn’t dragged by her hair or forced to !! The mere fact that she regained her virginity a boon, that she got – made her venture into this. Comparing this with the present day- morals or rules is improper.
    There are things in our present day society that are unpalatable ( atleast ,to me ) like supporting being gay or lesbian . Well, if one can justify lesbian / gay relationships , why criticize getting married to different kings and gets kids and become virgin in the process again.

    Usha

     
    • sreenivasaraos

      March 18, 2015 at 4:48 am

      Dear Usha, I am glad you could find time to read this rather tedious and lengthy post. Yes; as you remarked, Madhavi lived in the context of her times in an environment which had its own set of values and idioms of social conduct. She was free to make her choices; and her actions had the approval of the then society. There is nothing putrid or lewd, here. Everyone was earnest in deed and intent. If that does not squarely fit into the present-day patterns of behavior, then that is another matter.

      Yes; what you said about the symbolisms in the Puranas are very true. There might be some symbolisms in this case too.

      Though this is called a story, I have tried to see through it the flow of woman’s life over the ages; and .sadly there had been a steady deterioration in woman’s status and freedom all along. Each generation of women had their own set of problems to contend with; and each lived in the context of her own times. The thought that one should look for and anticipate approval from a society that might come centuries later did not occur to their mind. All that they were concerned with and sought was the approval and understanding from their peers.

      But, that does not mean there were no defects in those societies; and corrective measures were not taken. No; each society became aware of its weaknesses and tried to set right what it thought was an apparent error. For instance, when Swetaketu, son of Uddalaka, realized that unbridled sexual freedom accorded to women was harming the family structure, denting the dignity of life and causing much confusion, he brought in stricter laws regulating the institution of marriage, codifying moral conduct and generally restricting women’s freedom. That worked well for some time. But when those restrictions were carried to excess it resulted in subjugation of women and restriction of their life in every possible way. The consequent miseries lasted for centuries.

      At other times, you find, a correction made to remedy a bad situation may result in good in some other field. For instance, the social reform movement of the nineteenth century was brought in to eliminate the oppressive practices like child marriage and widow immolation. Though it is said that its purpose was to make better wives and good mothers, it did open the possibility of a more active participation of women in public life, starting with improved education for women. During the national movement women from all classes came in large numbers to serve the national cause. Even mothers filled the jails.

      Sudhir Kakkar in his s psychoanalytical study, talks about the change of another sort; from extended families to nuclear families , because as he says’ it did not give much space for conjugal relations with the young daughter-in-law and the mother-in-law vying for the Youngman’s complete affection’. He says, now there is a reversal of the trend in Urban Indian families after recognizing the need for mutual help. He remarks ‘if nothing else, you get the un-paid services of a daytime nanny’.

      Each generation learns to live as best as it can, by machining correction as it moves along. It does not consciously look, all the while, for approval from a society that is yet to take birth.

      Greetings for Navaratri and Regards

       
      • sreenivasaraos

        March 18, 2015 at 4:55 am

        Dear Usha, You wondered there might be symbolic explanations to Madhavi-story. From the little I know, only scholar seems to have commented upon the story from that angle; the rest have narrated it from historical perspective. There is brief reference to it in Shri Narayana Aiyangar’s book of 1898-[Essays on Indo- Aryan mythology by Narayana Aiyangar (An extra assistant commissioner in the state of Mysore); part one; printed at the Caxton press; 1898]

        The following is an extract from the chapter “The story about Yayati’s wonderful daughter Madhavi obtained by Visvamitra’s disciple Galava; and her sons Vasumanas, Pratardana, Sibi and Ashtaka; and the Vedantic explanation of it ……” (Pages 302-303)

        “Madhavi seems to be Madhu-vidya the knowledge of the Self as honey; that honey, the best of the forest produce, which the knower in his retired forest-life, gets. From the fact that Madhavi ultimately retires to Vana, Forest, she seems to be the goddess Aranyani….

        As Madhu means also the soma juice, Madhavi may be taken to be the knowledge of it. Being the knowledge of immortality she is ever virgin, and of her many a Rajarshi of old fame was born, himself as the Son, the Self freed from body.

        The 600 horses obtained may be taken to be the six seasons, symbolical of all the sacrifices performed in them, In other words, the complete year is brought as Sacrifice, and the story ends with the Brahmanised knower VisvAmitra’s getting the Self as Son Ashtaka, who seems to be the prototype of the famous God Rudra Ashtamurti, the Self of names and forms, the Son of Brahma.”

        Regard

        Please also see my response to comments posted by Shri DSampath

         
  5. sreenivasaraos

    March 18, 2015 at 4:46 am

    Dear Mrs. Muffet, Draupad’s polyandric marriage was unusual even for her times. Madhavi preceded her by centuries when the institution of marriage had several layers within it. It appears from the narration, Madhavi’s relations had social approval; and women could exercise greater independence. Yes; it is interesting indeed.

    Regards

     
  6. sreenivasaraos

    March 18, 2015 at 4:49 am

    Dear Shri VP Sir, I am not surprised. I have not come up to expectations of anyone around me. There are various ways of looking at this fascinating but disturbing episode. The view that you so forcibly put across is also a valid one. I have no problem with that; and I did mention of this view too. But I preferred to place the Madhavi-story in the context of its times, its own set of values and idioms of social conduct. She was free to make her choices; and her actions had the approval of the then society. There is nothing putrid or lewd, here. Everyone was earnest in deed and intent.

    As I said to Shri Sampath, the Madhavi -story has to be placed and viewed in the context of the pre Vedic society. In those pre-Vedic ages, the institution of marriage comprised all its forms, including monogamy, polygamy, polyandry, group marriages and many others. The men and women who practiced it were not ashamed of their way of life. What interested those societies most were the relationships among its members, economic interests of the community, stability and order. Within that framework, those engaged in polyandry enjoyed the same status as the rest in the society. If that does not, now, squarely fit into ones perceptions of proper behavior, then that is another matter.

    Please do check my response to the comments of Shri DSampath.

    Navaratri Greetings and Warm Regards

     
  7. sreenivasaraos

    March 18, 2015 at 4:51 am

    Dear Shri Sampath, Welcome back. Yes Sir, what you outlined is the real story of this blog. It is about the unfolding story of woman’s status and her freedom over the ages. You brought it out very well.

    The Madhavi -story is a relic of the pre-Vedic times narrated in the context of its own set of values and idioms of social conduct. As you said, the then–society gave forth to specific social institutions that it found suitable to satisfy its needs. The narrations in the early part of the Epic speak about unbridled freedom that women had; and in particular about the right to exercise their sexual preferences. Such openness in woman’s relations was socially accepted. The Epic also briefly refers to Swetaketu, son of Uddalaka, who was convinced that allowing unrestrained sexual freedom to women was harming the family structure, denting the dignity of life, and was causing much confusion. Swetaketu is credited with introducing laws for strictly regulating the institution of marriage and codifying the moral and sexual conduct of the woman within the marriage; and generally restricting woman’s freedom. It might have worked well for some time. So long as the woman participated in social life, engaged in outdoor productive work she had an equitable position in the society. But, when the restrictions were carried to excess it led to subjugation of women and as you said to ‘the undignifying process of seeing women as a commodity’. In the settled agrarian communities the concepts of ownership, possession, honor, prestige etc took visible forms. Its consequent miseries lasted for centuries.

    As regards the much debated issue of polyandry in ancient India, doubtless, polyandry was prevalent in the very ancient pre-Vedic world, in some form or the other; and its traces are visible in the legends and poetry of Rig-Veda. In those pre-Vedic ages, the institution of marriage comprised all its forms, including monogamy, polygamy, polyandry, group marriages and many others. The men and women who practiced it were not ashamed of their way of life. What interested those societies most were the relationships among its members, economic interests of the community, stability and order. Within that framework, those engaged in polyandry enjoyed the same status as the rest in the society.

    Madhavi story has to be placed and viewed in the context of the Pre-Vedic society. Those around her did not find anything as objectionable in her life.

    Rig Veda period, however remote, was a society in transformation. It inherited most cultural traits from its past; but also quietly put away some the others. Rig Veda was aware of polyandry in its earlier society; but, it appears, during its own time its practice of polyandry had become defunct. Rig-Veda refers, through its legends and poetry, to various sorts of sexual relations that existed in its past. It imposed those notions on its gods, without a sense of impropriety infamy or blasphemy. We may now find some of that offensive. Yet, all those descriptions cannot be dismissed as fanciful; they must have been based on events in the past. Another way of looking at is: had the Rig-Veda seers been embarrassed; and had they felt that the polyandric relations of their ancestors an anathema they would have refrained from speaking about it. All that can be said is : the practice was known; It was neither recommended nor totally condemned.

    You also find the Rig-Veda upholding of the custom of marriage and its sanctity. There are also passages of spirited assertions of women’s rights , as by Yami (RV.10.10).

    You have very aptly summarized the course of the flow of woman’s life during and after Mahabharata: “This started changing with the onset of technological (Mahabharata times) era and is set to change further with the coming of information era. It gives us an interesting historical and mythological perspective to the status of women in the Indian society. The dark ages are past…. “. Let’s hope something new and encouraging will turn up.

    We must be cautious about forcing our own perceptions and preferences, as also definitions of marriage upon an arrangement that prevailed amidst a society that existed in a very distant past. Even Kautilya , in his Arthasastra, mentions that no form of marriage is prohibited provided it pleased all those who were concerned with it’ (Arthasastra: 3.2.13) . Have we not seen in our own lifetime, the rapid changes, and revisions in the concept of marriage; as also of its place in a woman’s life? The forms, the perceptions and the emphasis in married life have all changed and are changing, though marriage as an institution is chugging along.

    I am grateful for your studied comments. It helped me to see the picture bit more clearly.

    Navaratri Greetings and Warm Regards

     
  8. sreenivasaraos

    March 18, 2015 at 4:51 am

    Dear Sreenivasarao,

    Thank you for this description.

    I have read that “Vyasa” also was a name used by many scholars, and that there were several people by the name “Krishna”, too. So, we don’t know haw many “Vishwamitras” there may have been.

    You say: ”Generally, Mahabharata depicts a steady degradation or degeneration of what was once a cohesive society that cherished liberal values.” Is it any wonder that near the end (during the battle) Krishna says “The era of Kali (Kaliyuga) has started”? Actually, another interpretation I have read relates the Yugas with the coming and going of the ice age. There are, of course, various interpretations. But, it all proves what Socrates said “everything changes except the law of change”.

    I agree with you that there must have been different, vastly different times, cross the centuries and millennia. Unfortunately, there is a tendency to club everything together into one amorphous, nebulous, but still homogeneous “ancient India”, as if it were a few weeks of a pleasant, lazy summer vacation ! No doubt huge time spans were involved, with widely differing social, political, economic, religious, psychological, military, spiritual, scientific, technological, philosophical, weather, geographical, geological, astronomical……you name it…… conditions. Actually, someone once told me that he finds it ridiculous that historians try to explain things in the context of their own thought processes, when they have no idea what were the realities of the society hundreds, or thousands, of years ago. I guess trying to explain all of history (through a single viewpoint) would be equally absurd, because (as you point out) very different times are involved.

    Further ahead, you say “the downward trend continued”. I (sadly) feel it continues to this day, we seem to be in a downward spiral. That’s why, at every point, thinkers find fault, also why (despite our claim of a “great” civilization) we are at the rock bottom, why we have political and economic scandals all around, why for a thousand years we have been slaves, why today no one takes us seriously, why we are the laughing stock, why we have stopped innovating, and much else. And, amid such gloom and chaos, out of sheer desperation, many of our countrymen attempt to live on “past glory”, as if in a desperate effort to clutch at straws, while drowning everyday in a never ending whirlpool.

    You mention that the role of women is taken for granted. I will take this further: the same seems to be true of much of the society, especially the under-privileged. This is all the more so in highly feudal society, like ours. That feudalism is deliberately kept intact, to perpetuate the inequalities, and have enough “slaves” available.

    You point out that in Mahabharata times, women wielded much power. I have read this opinion elsewhere, too. Well, it’s true of the race to which the Pandavas belonged, but what was the overall situation? Even in that race, we see Gandhari receding hopelessly into the background, as she is powerless against the whims of Dhritarashtra and Duryodhana, and her own brother Shakuni. Then, as you say, within the span of the timeframe of the Mahabharata, women’s status falls precipitously. Now, let’s just compare this with what happened in the Ramayana, centuries, or perhaps millennia, earlier (and in the times of a very different society). The status of Sita remains an enigma. I have heard all kinds of arguments and counter-arguments. Some say that the Agni-Pariksha is meant to show her in a supreme light, while others point out that banishing her to please the (ignorant, foolish, callous) public is anything but giving her e supreme place. Even this is subjected to various interpretations. The debate goes on… But, however one may interpret it, in the final analysis, Sita’s status does suffer. We may look at it disapprovingly from today’s angle, but even in those times, Lakshmana was aghast at the idea of leaving Sita alone in the forest, and later (by some accounts), Rama’s own sons speak of Sita as a model of virtue (without even knowing she is their own mother).

    But, at the end of it all, considering your next statement, of how Pandu persuaded Kunti against her wishes, the status of women seems like a roller-coaster ride all along.

    Now, it appears that, as a society, we have not yet come out of the “inward looking, defensive” mindset, not only in the matter of status of women, but in many, many other ways. This explains many of our customs, including the hero worship we follow, and which ahs led us into the political and economic crisis our nation has been witnessing.

    In conclusion, you talk of our “only option” as a nation. I hope this is a realistic option, and also that we are able to seize it… because, though I try hard to remain optimistic, and am heartened by the fact that we have not gone the way of ancient Greece, or Rome, or Babylonia, or Egypt, I still shudder at the extent of degradation we have gone through, and at times feel disillusioned. Our great reformers, like Vivekananda and Aurobindo and Dayananda and Gandhi, now seem very distant, so far have we gone downhill ! It seems an astronomical task to build character… I have even once said that our national character seems that we have no character…

    On a positive note, Swami Vivekananda once said “let a man go down as low as possible. There MUST come a time when, out of sheer desperation, he will take an upward turn”.

    Let’s wait for that upward turn in our society. And actively work for it, too. I always say, even if our contribution is just a drop in the ocean, let’s not forget that the ocean would be smaller if that drop were not there.

    Regards,

    Arun

     
    • sreenivasaraos

      March 18, 2015 at 4:51 am

      Dear Dr. Arun, Thank you for going through the blog and for the well considered comments. The points you have made out are very valid.

      I agree with you when you said: Now, it appears that, as a society, we have not yet come out of the ‘inward looking, defensive’ mindset, not only in the matter of status of women, but in many, many other ways. This explains many of our customs, including the hero worship we follow, and which has led us into the political and economic crisis our nation has been witnessing.

      The instances of Egypt, Greece or Rome you mentioned, for some reason, were in a hurry to get away from their past once they accepted their new-religion. India has a little more resilience. I trust and hope it will survive and as a cultural entity and as a nation.

      Yes, that realistic option can work only when the freedom and the opportunities are utilized sensibly.

      Please do read my response ro comments posted by Shri DSampath. It covers a little more ground.

      Navaratri Greetings and Warm Regards

       
  9. sreenivasaraos

    March 18, 2015 at 4:52 am

    i forgot to tell u that whilereadng this – Tagore’s dance drama – Sapmochom came to my mind – becuase of Jajati, Debjani etc,

    and also u know trading Draupadi for that dice game has been highly criticized,

    by the way – even considering hermeneutics – woman that time had the option to say yes and no – if Madhvi didnt agree – she could have said no – but poor Draupadi she had no choice – and when all four brothers desired her – yet she loved Arjun – only when she was on her way to Mahaprasthan – she relaized that though all her life she had loved Arjuna, it was Bhima who actullay loved her – but then as u said – she was left behind even on the way to Mahapprasthan

    and also would request you to write on some other things – only an erudite scholar like u cud do
    write on the history of Kannyakumarika – how it got its name,
    then how Lord Krishna was a shrewd politician,
    and how polyandry is still prevalent in some parts of India – like HP – kinnor etc
    as i hv heard o – I may be wrong though,
    also schools of thought say that Krishshna had a crush on Draupadi too – is it true?

    and also it was Kunti who wanted Draupadi to be shared by all – is it true – becuase she knew how they desired her
    and also if you could write on why draupadi had in her previous birth wanted qualities in a husban which one person couldn’t have and so she was destined to have five husbands

    and regarding modern India’s postion of women – i hv written blogs on it – if u want i can send u the links – and also
    early 90s Dr Parekh of IIT Bombay had condcuted a study on women enginners – we were sent questionnaires
    and the survey said how women engineers even in this century are harassed

    that day i was so bucy cudn’t write this elaborate comment

    best -today sometimelater wud post a blog

    Best kk

     
    • sreenivasaraos

      March 18, 2015 at 4:53 am

      Dear Sreechandra, I trust you had busy and enjoyable Puja celebrations.

      Regarding the points you mentioned, much has been written about polyandry in India. Dr. Sarva Daman Singh’s book ‘Polyandry in ancient India’ is very well known. Polyandry was in practice not only in the Indo-Tibetan regions but also in the erstwhile Bombay Presidency which occupied much of the Western India. The Gazetteer of Bombay Precideny, in its Appendix C to the Gazetteer of Poona District mentions the traces of the polyandry practices in the Presidency. Please click here. A lot has been written about polyandry in Indo-Tibetan regions. You may check on this and follow the links, to start with. Any more on that would mean just adding to the pile.

      Regarding Kunti and Draupadi; as also their multiple relations I had written in fair detail. Please check here for: Kunti and Draupadi

      Yes; about Krishna as a person and a leader, I could write.

      Regards

       
  10. sreenivasaraos

    March 18, 2015 at 4:55 am

    I have not read ancient Indian literature. In fact, the thought of going through those difficult texts used to scare me. But you have written so beautifully, I have developed an interest. waiting to see more such pieces.

    BIJaya Ghosh

     
    • sreenivasaraos

      March 18, 2015 at 4:56 am

      Dear Bijaya Ghosh, I am glad you read through, despite its length.

      Since you read a couple of posts concerning Mahabharata, you may also like to check the following:

      Regards

      Evolution of Dharma (2 of 3)

      Evolution of Dharma (3 0f 3)

       
  11. sreenivasaraos

    March 18, 2015 at 4:58 am

    Very nice and learned comments. Helps in proper understanding of these stories and situations in the real spirit of the stories.

    Neeta S Rao

     
    • sreenivasaraos

      March 18, 2015 at 4:58 am

      Dear Neeta Rao, Thank you for the visit; and , for the appreciation.

      Please do read the other posts as well.

      Regards

       
  12. sreenivasaraos

    June 19, 2016 at 12:48 am

    Vijrndrakumar SK / / 18/06/2016 Vijrndrakumar SK

    Dear Srinivasa Rao,

    I have read your Interpretations and others. I am working on this story from a psychological perspective, some what similar to yours (expanded in analysis). I will get back to you, once I finished.

    Regards,

    Vijendra Kumar SK, Bangalore.

    shankrivi@yahoo.co

     
  13. sreenivasaraos

    June 19, 2016 at 12:49 am

    Dear Vijendra kumar

    Thanks for the visit

    Please post your comments and responses on my website

    https://sreenivasaraos.com/2012/10/10/the-bizarre-story-of-madhavi-of-the-ancient-times/

    Thanks

    Regards

     

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